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for the masses headline additional july

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8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying beast has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to black with

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fade to black bespoke radio

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for the

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masses uh today's wednesday july 14

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2021. 196 days into the new year

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only 169 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location but it is

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yeah man it's cold it's even cool in

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it's great i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far

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and near this is fade to black for kjcr

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the game changer network and kgra the

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our murals jimmy church what is cracking

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how you doing

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all right i'm ready for this tonight

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very special guest debbie cobble joins

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us for the first time

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that's right kathy davis

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book intruders it's a pseudonym

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debbie cobble is with it you like that

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the the d and the k and the k and the d

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the play on that yeah there you go

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debbie cobble is with us tomorrow night

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live from australia what an amazing week

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and uh how about that phone call last

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night right

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after grant cameron rhea

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wow i uh i played that for debbie right

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before the show tonight i said debbie

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check this out

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i did i did i went back and listened to

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it a couple of times today

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just to just yeah so

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soak that up again like a

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like a biscuit and some

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some gravy on your plate you just soak

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today's wednesday you've got three days

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cracking you can follow me on twitter

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right now at

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no audio on spreaker paranormal

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check check oh houston we do have a

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i will get this cracking now

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and let's see yeah wow

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to do this everybody just

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yeah that's acting strange

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let's just get straight to it invasive

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in a minnesota lake burnsville minnesota

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each was more than a foot long goldfish

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from your aquarium little baby this big

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ewins has been added to the dictionary i

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researchers have found evidence of the

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oldest known use of cosmetics at a dig

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christiane spitteri described the

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ceramic bottles that held the cosmetics

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the bottles have been dated back to a

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egypt with that let me get this moving

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boom boom boom boom boom and uh

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i'll wait that and wait for that to boot

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and i'm gonna say let's get this show

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cracking happy birthday to

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jane lynch jane lynch is 61 of course

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the star and best in show and a mighty

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and and all that christopher guest

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she is 61 years old today our dead guy's

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birthday today is harry dean

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stanton 1926 to 2017 died at the age of

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harry in a career that spanned more than

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the last temptation of christ wilde at

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empire harry died on september 15 2017

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at cedar sinai medical center right here

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in los angeles

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california he was 91

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years old on this day in history

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19 or 18 1981 1881

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sheriff pat garrett shoots billy the kid

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to death

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at the maxwell ranch in new mexico

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here's your fader fact the inside of the

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leaning tower of pisa

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is completely empty well there's air

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but that's it and that's your favorite

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if you've never seen pictures of the

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inside of the

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leaning tower pisa go and check it out

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ain't nothing there tonight we have very

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special guest

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debbie cobble joins us and and i don't

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know why

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this computer's not firing up let me try

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it again let me go let me go

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come on come on come on

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come on you gotta love live radio i'm

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doing this live

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let's see why isn't this

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i don't know it's bizarre that's my

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it's just taking his sweet old time i

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don't get it

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ah uh oh i see action

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i do it must have been rhea's phone call

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last night

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it's ria's phone call yeah

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there is something wrong with that

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the software i thought i thought i was

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you gotta you just gotta love this

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everything here and this is what's

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beautiful about this studio

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usually everything works

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it's automated i just click on a couple

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of things and everything fires up

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all by itself and this

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is this is strange this is strange to me

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to see this happening

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on a very expensive computer too as well

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you know it was uh really funny uh

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this morning it did an automatic update

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and i thought it did that like two days

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ago now i run six computers and they

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all update at the same time right they

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all will go through the same

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notification process

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and this one did it all by itself

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and now it's just it's just sitting

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there it's not

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opening up the software it's acting like

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it's wanting to

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huh wow

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you gotta love it all right all right

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maybe i'll get it running and during the

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commercial break

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and uh yeah yeah i'm gonna forget about

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it

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see i don't panic anymore

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i don't panic anymore things just happen

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they just

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you just run with it um i wanted to talk

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about

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when you when you first

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jump into the study of ufos

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and and i've seen this over and over

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again

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but one of the things that happens and

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it's a certain guarantee

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is a giant deep dive into all things

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egypt

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of the ancient kind it just happens

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and it's natural i've gone back and

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listened to so many researchers at the

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start of their careers

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and they all pretty much do the same

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thing they'll talk about ufos but

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they'll also talk about ancient egypt

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because they are doing

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it's what happens it's this natural

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thing

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now it happens for a variety of reasons

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but the main thing that happens is

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is that once you scratch the surface of

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egypt

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you find out very quickly that

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everything that we are told

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about its history is total bs

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it's this inquisitive mind you know

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you're

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interested in ufos and maybe ghosts and

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the paranormal and and there's egypt

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right in front of you

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and it doesn't take much because the

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more you dig deep the more you find out

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that it's just a big bowl of wrong

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the other thing that makes egypt

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research so much fun

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is that it's just beautiful first off

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right you have the art you have the

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sculpture

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you have the temples you have the gold

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right

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and when you compare egypt to

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everything else that was going on at

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that time you come to realize that

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something just

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ain't right and remember as cool as

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greece

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was and is it didn't happen

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for another 2 000 years

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after giza rome

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rome rome was 400 years after greece

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right that's how crazy egypt is

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and as a researcher with an inquisitive

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mind

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ancient egypt is just the place to get

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your world history conspiracy game on

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seriously it's just too easy and it's so

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much fun

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well last week richard and

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richard dolan and i did just that we sat

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down we took a break in the middle of

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filming and somebody else was uh

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on the set and richard and i had some

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time

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and we just sat down and talked about

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egypt in fact

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it was richard that brought it up not me

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and it turns out he knows a lot and

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while he should

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you know he's an educated history

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scholar

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but like i said when you jump into the

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ufo game

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it's egypt that is brought into the

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rabbit hole early on

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and and and it's just the way that it is

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right but for me

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in this conversation i brought up the

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few points about ancient egypt

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that just don't make any sense and

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the first thing is this

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the narmer palette the narmer

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palette and you can look it up was

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created allegedly around 3000

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bc and it's you know it's about this big

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right right stone and it has

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it has everything on both sides it's a

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two-sided palette i think it's two

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artists two different artists but uh

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it's got hieroglyphics

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right for starters and it shows

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egypt's first king narmer

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who unites upper and lower egypt

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and becomes the world's first king

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that's right but even that is not what's

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most important

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it's the date that egyptologists want

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us to believe was the start of you know

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well

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okay but what is most important

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is what what happened before

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and after this date of 3000 bc

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right which is that well before this

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egyptians before 3000 bc egyptians

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were wandering the desert as stone age

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people

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3000 bc before

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right now

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and 200 years later

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after 3000 bc wait for it

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200 years later they were building the

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200 years later they went from

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stone age people wandering the desert

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aimlessly

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right to a fully

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upright organized copper tools making

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beer and wine

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writing mining cooking math geometry

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architecture engineering

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and moving 100 ton stones around the

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country for fun

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but even if we just focused on giza

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that would that would just be too much

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and i get it but nope there's more

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there's much more during

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a 300 year span

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the egyptians built again wait for it

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not one not two but 15

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giant ginormous pyramids

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at least the ones that we know of but we

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also lose sight of a couple of things

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that egyptologists never want to talk

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about and that is this

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the population or lack of

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egypt's population around 3000 bc well

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it wasn't much some guesstimates are

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around 300 000 people

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for the entire country man woman and

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child

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at around 2650 bc around the time that

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the last stones were placed on the great

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pyramid allegedly

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that number rose to around 600

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000. these are the accepted numbers

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that are out there so the population

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doubled

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but half are women

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another third are children which leaves

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maybe about 150 000 men

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in the entire country

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now how many of those hundred fifty

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thousand men are too sick

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how many are too old well we don't know

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but let's take a crack at it let's be

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generous and say nah

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there's a hundred thousand able-bodied

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men in the entire country

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getting stuff done getting

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everything done okay so if you break it

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down a little bit more

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twenty thousand built a great pyramid

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over a twenty year period according to

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the history books

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but they don't tell you the real story

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and that is that khufu

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and khafre the two big pyramids on the

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giza plateau

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were built at the same time

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that's not four and a half million

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stones cut that's

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twenty thousand men

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that's forty thousand so you have to ask

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yourself

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who was running the country who was

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farming who was building homes who was

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building the temples

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who was building the other pyramids who

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was left to defend the country from

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invaders

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was there even a military

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now there's one last thing to ponder how

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much of egypt's resources

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and economy were used for these huge

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projects

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engineering locations one after another

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all year year after year for hundreds of

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years

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it would seem to me thinking very

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logically

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that every man woman and child in the

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country

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only worked on building these temple

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complexes

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there isn't another way to look at it

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all of this 2

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000 years before greece got a foothold

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really think about that now i know that

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there are some out there that want to

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point

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out that you know mesopotamia and

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ancient sumer with their list of

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first things you know and i get that and

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i'm one to acknowledge some of that for

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sure and some of it is cool

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but none of it is great pyramid

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cool uniform writing it's pretty amazing

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but it ain't egyptian hieroglyphics cool

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and all of this happened seemingly

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overnight and it just doesn't make any

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sense

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this is what i talked about with richard

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dolan the ufo historian

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last week i need you to look up

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everything that i just stated

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everything that i just said the

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population the timing the amount of

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pyramids the projects the temple

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projects

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go and look at that go and look at the

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step pyramid

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look at the kilometers of tunnels that

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were built

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underneath that pier kilometers

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it's a huge huge complex

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and all of this is going on at the same

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time couple years later

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they're they're flattening the giza

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plateau to build some pyramids in the

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sphinx

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no no i just don't buy it i don't buy it

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and that's the deep dive that all you

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it's a gift i'm your host jimmy church

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tonight debbie cobble joins us and

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hopefully i'll have a computer system up

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when i come back stay with us this is

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you're listening to jimmy

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churchradio.com

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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tonight debbie cobble joins us tomorrow

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night ross culfart

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live from australia completing this

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amazing week here on the show

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[Music]

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need my coffee tonight it's all about

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debbie though

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00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,960
she joins us for the first time and we

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are going to

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00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,440
discuss her life of v t contact

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00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:35,040
in nap town deppy was the central figure

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00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,560
in buda hopkins new york times

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bestseller intruders

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the incredible visitation at copely

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00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,680
woods

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00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,400
as well as the 1992 cbs mini-series

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intruders using the pseudonym

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00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:49,720
kathy davis like i said kd i like that

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dkkd i'm pretty smart in 1992

723
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,599
she revealed her true identity and

724
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:57,359
co-authored with her sister kathy

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00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,160
mitchell

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00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,560
abducted the story of the intruders

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00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,680
continues

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dev has just finished a revised expanded

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00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:05,760
edition of abducted

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entitled extraordinary contact life

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00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:10,880
beyond intruders the links for

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00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,280
everything are over at

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00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,680
jimmychurchradio.com

734
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,200
you can go and get yourself your own

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copy of the book she co-hosted her own

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00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,320
podcast

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00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,440
midwest paratalk with greg cable uh

738
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,960
together with greg they co-founded the

739
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:25,119
paranormal research team the paranormal

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00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,000
underground

741
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,440
and her special interest in the

742
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,359
paranormal research is with the

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00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,240
electronic voice phenomena my favorite

744
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,839
and she has collected impressive

745
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:36,160
examples over the last several years her

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00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,280
website is

747
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,079
debs home.com again the links are over

748
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,599
at jimmychurchready.com i would like to

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00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,880
welcome the faded black for the first

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00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:43,920
time

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00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,119
debbie cobble debbie how are you

752
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,560
i'm good how are you hi it's

753
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,880
fantastic thank you for asking it seems

754
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,680
like

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00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,760
we were just hanging out yesterday but i

756
00:37:04,470 --> 00:36:57,280
guess we were

757
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,480
but debbie you get the first time guest

758
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,000
disclaimer

759
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,680
so let's get that out of the way which

760
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,119
is this deb

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00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,200
it's just you and i sitting on my couch

762
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,960
having a conversation as friends and

763
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,359
where that conversation starts it starts

764
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,280
where it ends it ends but we're gonna

765
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,040
end his friends

766
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,760
there you go see you thought it was

767
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,200
going to be something deep and heavy

768
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,069
i wasn't quite sure what to expect

769
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:34,790
now um let's get a few things out of the

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00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,280
way

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00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:38,560
um before um

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00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,920
uh okay i i had a chance

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00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:44,000
uh to hang out with debbie all of last

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00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,200
week

775
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,480
and i uh had a lot of amazing

776
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,000
conversations with deb

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00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:52,320
but i knew that she was coming on the

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00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,280
show

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00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:56,079
so i wanted to hold off on all of that

780
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,119
conversation

781
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,839
and save it tonight for the show so we

782
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:01,920
could just banter back and forth

783
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,200
but we are from the same not only

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00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,800
hometown

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00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:08,960
but we went to the same high school we

786
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:11,359
graduated from the same high school

787
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,200
uh we hung out at the same spots

788
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,839
um the east side of indianapolis and

789
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,680
warren central high school in that whole

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00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:20,640
area

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00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,839
a very tight-knit community and and we

792
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,040
all had the same

793
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,920
things to do each night and going

794
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:29,280
through that with you

795
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,040
was just absolutely amazing to me

796
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,079
and your encounters

797
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,400
happened while i was still in

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00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:40,079
indianapolis i didn't come out

799
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,000
to la until 1984. okay so

800
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:46,000
and i know about the high strangeness of

801
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,119
indianapolis

802
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,160
but having this connection with you uh

803
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,920
was pretty strange and pretty bizarre

804
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,079
you know how many radio hosts

805
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,000
have you talked to about the walker

806
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,400
career center

807
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:01,119
i know let alone both attended it as

808
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,760
students

809
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,079
yes i mean right i was blown away by the

810
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,760
whole thing too when you started talking

811
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:06,960
about it i was like what

812
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,480
wait oh you're kidding me and then

813
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,480
that explained it because when i met you

814
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,720
i felt like you know i was just hanging

815
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,839
out with one of the guys

816
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,720
from my old neighborhood and then i

817
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,560
understood why because i

818
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,720
was you were hanging out with the guy

819
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,240
from the old neighborhood

820
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,280
and um and when you

821
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,400
when you sit and talk about um our

822
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,040
streets that we know you know 21st in

823
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,200
midhoffer and german church road and

824
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:37,440
post road and franklin and

825
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,400
washington and washington square and the

826
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,320
dairy queen at 10th and post

827
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,800
you know bringing up these things it was

828
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,520
just so

829
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,230
you know what was really fun you know

830
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,920
what was really funny um

831
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,000
sitting at the table with us everybody

832
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:56,960
was linda moulton howe um

833
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,640
whitley strieber uh uh richard dolan

834
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,680
uh william henry um and you

835
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,839
and myself and they are just listening

836
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,430
they were just like this is too crazy

837
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,280
and it was it was so much fun did you go

838
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:15,200
to the beaurix on 10th street because i

839
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:16,400
used to work there and i might have cut

840
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:16,960
your hair

841
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,160
yeah exactly exactly which was literally

842
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,440
next door to my house

843
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,720
so um absolutely bizarre okay

844
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,640
so getting that part out of the way i

845
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,480
want the audience to know

846
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,240
about this strange connection between

847
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:31,680
the two of us

848
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,880
and and so with that let's have a

849
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,560
conversation tonight

850
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,920
um i want to start with the basics

851
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,000
before we get to your encounters

852
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:45,119
i want to jump ahead a little bit and

853
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,280
and ask what everybody is is wondering

854
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:51,680
how did you how did you meet bud hopkins

855
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:59,030
well i had read the book missing time

856
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:02,800
a few months before the june 3083

857
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,599
incident happened and i had picked it up

858
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,960
in the library with a whole bunch of

859
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,160
other books

860
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,520
and as i tried to read that book i would

861
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,960
read a little bit on it and i'd have

862
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:15,280
this massive panic attack so i'd have to

863
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,319
stop

864
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,599
i never really finished it but

865
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,680
the way i read a book it's kind of weird

866
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,839
i look at all the pictures first then i

867
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,319
go

868
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,079
on the back of the book and i look from

869
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,680
the back forward and then i decide if i

870
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:29,040
want to spend time reading the whole

871
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,680
thing

872
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,920
and i had noticed that there was an

873
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,920
address on the back of that book where i

874
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,480
could

875
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,760
write to the guy who wrote that book if

876
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,359
i felt i had had

877
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,599
some kind of of an experience like what

878
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:43,520
he was writing about

879
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,359
and so after june 3083 happened and i

880
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,040
started to remember the

881
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,400
uh bits and pieces of that night i

882
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,400
i started thinking about that book and i

883
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,920
went back to the library and got it and

884
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:56,960
i wrote

885
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,560
with a whole

886
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,040
bunch of polaroids i stuck in it of the

887
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,480
backyard and mark that

888
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,599
that that had left and i actually

889
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,280
started the letter out

890
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,599
telling him about an encounter that my

891
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,800
older sister had had back in like 1965

892
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:15,680
where she

893
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,920
had taken my mom to a bingo game one

894
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,440
night dropped her off

895
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,319
and on the way home felt this compulsion

896
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,000
to pull into this parking lot at this

897
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:25,760
church at 10th and post

898
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,760
i mean 10th and franklin and um

899
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,760
when she did she went around to the back

900
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,119
and there was a

901
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,319
huge ufo just hovered real low

902
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,000
above the back parking lot of this

903
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,880
church and um

904
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,400
she always told us that it took her

905
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,160
whole car up took her and her whole car

906
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,319
up the next thing she remembers is

907
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,160
waking up in her car in the parking lot

908
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,160
it's dark not only is it dark it's like

909
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:52,000
hours later and it's time to go pick mom

910
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,880
up

911
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,119
so i wrote about that because it sounded

912
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,640
a lot like what bud had written about in

913
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,079
missing time

914
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,560
and uh then at the end i kind of like oh

915
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,480
and by the way

916
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,000
here's all these pictures and this

917
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,079
happened to you know in my backyard and

918
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,160
i remember this weird stuff

919
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,040
so i gave this letter to my mom and she

920
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,800
later admitted that she toted it around

921
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,480
in her pocketbook for you know

922
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,680
a few weeks and really did not want to

923
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,640
mail it

924
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:20,480
she just told bud later she said i

925
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,839
wasn't sure whether i wanted to open up

926
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:23,520
that can of worms

927
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,960
and but one day she

928
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,200
was found herself standing in front of a

929
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,040
mailbox and she suddenly realized that

930
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,119
she had that letter in her purse so she

931
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,520
pulled it out and dropped it in the mail

932
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,720
and a few weeks later

933
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,319
i came home from being out one night

934
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,400
with friends and mom was laying on the

935
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,400
couch and she says hey that guy that you

936
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:44,400
wrote that letter to called

937
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,079
and i'm like are you kidding me yeah

938
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,160
she had taken down the number so when i

939
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,560
went to calling back i was shaking

940
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,640
so hard that i could barely dial the

941
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,000
phone and

942
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,680
my heart was pounding i could feel it in

943
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,920
my throat and see it in my eyes and

944
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,920
and then he answered you know and and

945
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:03,839
from that point on

946
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,839
um i i sold my washer and dryer that was

947
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,000
in storage to get enough money for a bus

948
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,599
ticket to go

949
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,599
uh to new york and see him and then

950
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,599
halfway there i had this massive panic

951
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,680
attack on the bus like i was

952
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,440
i'm i was thinking to myself you're a

953
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,800
mother what is wrong with you

954
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,200
you know this guy could be an axe

955
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,480
murderer and you don't

956
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,560
you're going to new york city big new

957
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,640
york city all by yourself

958
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,720
and you have no idea who you're going to

959
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,000
meet and

960
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:33,760
this is insane so just let me off the

961
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:37,119
bus and i'll go ahead and walk on home

962
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:40,960
but i didn't and uh you know here we are

963
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,800
i do remember one uh

964
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,560
maybe the first or second time i went to

965
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,920
new york

966
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,000
sitting in his studio surrounded by

967
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,599
boxes full of letters

968
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,280
that he had gotten because of missing

969
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:55,520
time and he was showing me certain

970
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,240
letters that

971
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,319
people had written because they were

972
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,079
writing essentially the same thing that

973
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,680
i was describing

974
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,480
and i looked up at him and i said why

975
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,640
did you answer my letter

976
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,160
you know i know i was in this box with

977
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,079
all these other people but why me

978
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,079
you know and he's like well kid i don't

979
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:14,079
know that's the 64 thousand dollar

980
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,960
question

981
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,880
and i said destiny maybe and he said

982
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,119
maybe

983
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,240
so that's how i met bud that and

984
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:25,920
the um uh the tenth and franklin

985
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,079
uh church um i remember there being

986
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,000
two churches on that corner but i

987
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:33,760
remember the big one

988
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,800
um which if you're going

989
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:39,200
west it would be on the left-hand side

990
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,560
is that the church you're talking about

991
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,440
the big one on the corner

992
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,920
um actually i think it's a little bit

993
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:47,440
further down than franklin

994
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,319
it's on if you're going if you're going

995
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,000
west it's on the left side but

996
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,520
it's actually uh i'm sure you probably

997
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,520
have heard of it holy spirit oh holy

998
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:58,800
spirit this was above

999
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,920
holy spirit yes it was that holy spirit

1000
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:02,560
church so

1001
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,240
it's kind of like whoa whoa whoa whoa

1002
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,440
okay yeah this is my hood everybody

1003
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,280
everybody knows holy spirit shirts in

1004
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,560
cumberland

1005
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,800
so um there are people right now in

1006
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,839
indianapolis they

1007
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,079
they just spun around you know ev

1008
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:19,920
everybody knows holy spirit

1009
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,920
well okay um now

1010
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,599
here's another epiphany for everybody

1011
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:27,119
because i've heard for years people

1012
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,760
always

1013
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,440
have commented about they think they

1014
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,440
know where copely woods is okay

1015
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,359
and i've heard all kinds of people say

1016
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,040
all kinds of stuff and i just kind of

1017
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,319
chuckle and close my eyes and and copely

1018
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,599
woods is a pseudonym

1019
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,520
cobley woods doesn't it's it's a

1020
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:43,520
pseudonym just like kathy davis was and

1021
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,160
everything else

1022
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,760
the actual place is called kitly woods

1023
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:50,319
and it's on the it's very close to the

1024
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:51,359
speed room

1025
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,480
this whole neighborhood that's where

1026
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,000
this happened

1027
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,390
near old irvington yeah yeah

1028
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,800
downtown indianapolis that's the thing

1029
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,079
see i now i

1030
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,440
lived uh right there in irvington

1031
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,520
and you know right off of shadeland and

1032
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,800
washington uh

1033
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:17,599
audubon circle you know that whole area

1034
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:18,079
um

1035
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,640
and in june of 1983 that's where i was

1036
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:25,680
living

1037
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,520
so and the other part yeah

1038
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,760
yeah yeah very very interesting to me

1039
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,640
but

1040
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,800
um there was a lot of high strangeness

1041
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,960
for me going through that period

1042
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,800
and i've shared these stories many times

1043
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:40,880
i'm not going to go into it now

1044
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,319
but um indianapolis was

1045
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:47,280
was a very interesting place back back

1046
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:47,520
in

1047
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,359
that were rumors

1048
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,280
you know around town the house with blue

1049
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,800
lights and

1050
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:59,760
and and uh you know these haunted houses

1051
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:00,160
and

1052
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,800
throughout indianapolis during this

1053
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:06,559
period this is just so

1054
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,400
interesting to me now um let's

1055
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,559
let's go to i know that you wrote about

1056
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,640
a 14-page letter

1057
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:17,680
um let's start at the beginning there in

1058
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:20,800
in june of 1983 which i would have been

1059
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:23,920
20 years old i wasn't even 21. i was

1060
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,200
living in irvington

1061
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,240
um uh just take us through that day

1062
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,960
uh uh what did was it just a normal day

1063
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,720
at first

1064
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:37,440
yeah and um i wasn't much older than you

1065
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:38,240
i probably was

1066
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,160
22 or 23 at the time um

1067
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,760
i now maybe 23 but anyway

1068
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,359
yeah i was living with my parents i had

1069
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,800
recently moved back home

1070
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,040
or well not too recently i had two

1071
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,319
little kids because i was

1072
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,960
i got divorced so it was me and my two

1073
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:55,760
little kids

1074
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:58,800
both toddlers practically

1075
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,720
and uh i was

1076
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,400
cutting out patterns for a girl that

1077
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,559
lived one street behind us

1078
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,800
and and she would give me a little extra

1079
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,400
spending money to help her she was a

1080
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,800
she was a seamstress who made costumes

1081
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,920
and so i'd cut

1082
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,839
i couldn't so wear the darn but i could

1083
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,079
cut really good so

1084
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:20,319
um i was getting ready to go and cut out

1085
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,599
some patterns with her that

1086
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,000
that evening after supper so i was

1087
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,520
standing at the kitchen table

1088
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,119
i mean i was standing at the kitchen

1089
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,200
sink looking out the window

1090
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,720
and washing my hands uh and as i was

1091
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:34,480
just kind of looking out there i noticed

1092
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,200
there was a

1093
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:38,079
light in the pump house of this that was

1094
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:39,359
next to the swimming pool because my

1095
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,400
parents had a

1096
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:43,040
a big uh underground you know swimming

1097
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,240
pool uh

1098
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,440
over there and i thought that's weird

1099
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,359
i wonder why where that why that light

1100
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,280
is on because i remember i'd been out

1101
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,200
there earlier so

1102
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,839
um it didn't make sense to me and i

1103
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,520
pointed it out to my mom and she's like

1104
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,559
don't worry about it

1105
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,920
you know your dad can turn it off when

1106
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,599
he gets home my dad

1107
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,359
worked the second shift at ford over

1108
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,200
there on english the steering gear plant

1109
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,119
he was an electrician and

1110
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,800
so anyway i thought to myself as i was

1111
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,000
leaving i'm like that

1112
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,680
just something about that don't don't

1113
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,040
rub me right so

1114
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,040
i decided to go down the side drive

1115
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,440
since this was a tri-level house

1116
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,839
and once one driveway went up up the

1117
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,960
front of the house to the

1118
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,040
drive to the garage that was attached

1119
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,559
but the other part split

1120
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,319
and it would go along the side of the

1121
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,839
house out back

1122
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,599
into this turnaround that was in front

1123
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,160
of a workshop that he had back there

1124
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,559
and so i thought well i'll just drive

1125
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,000
down that side drive and

1126
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,200
take a quick look before i head out

1127
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,520
i wasn't thinking about aliens or ufos

1128
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:47,119
or any other weird stuff i was thinking

1129
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,520
about

1130
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,920
burglars and criminals and things like

1131
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,440
that

1132
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,839
so as i turned around on the turnaround

1133
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,839
i noticed the light was gone it was it

1134
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,440
had gone out

1135
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,680
i thought maybe mom went out and shut it

1136
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:00,559
off or something

1137
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,839
i didn't know but i um i'll noted the

1138
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,599
pedestrian door

1139
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,960
to the garage that was attached to the

1140
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,640
house was open and i thought

1141
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,880
that's usually not open and that

1142
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,640
probably means pennies out that was my

1143
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,680
dog

1144
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,680
so but i didn't stop because i didn't

1145
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,960
really see anything

1146
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,040
i didn't see anybody so i just went

1147
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,359
ahead to the street behind us

1148
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,680
took like two minutes and i called mom

1149
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,200
and i said hey look you know

1150
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,280
i don't see i didn't see anything but i

1151
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,480
wanted to let you know that the

1152
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,079
pedestrian doors opened the garage and

1153
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,839
she's like oh okay

1154
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,160
and she said don't worry about anything

1155
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,240
i'll just lock the doors and

1156
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,240
um you know your dad will be home later

1157
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,760
and i'm like okay

1158
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,520
so i hung the phone up and then it rang

1159
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,359
again like immediately and i just

1160
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,880
you know snatched it up on reflex

1161
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,800
and it was my mom and she said i need

1162
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,400
you to come home right now

1163
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,800
and she sounded weird and scared and my

1164
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,880
mom never got scared so

1165
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,800
i was a bit alarmed and i'm like why

1166
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,880
what's going on what's wrong

1167
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,880
and my friend and her husband are now

1168
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,480
listening to me you know and

1169
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,319
he shouts over my shoulder into the

1170
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,079
phone tell her to call the police that's

1171
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:07,760
what we pay him for

1172
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,960
and she heard him and she said i know

1173
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,800
i don't want anyone here but you i'm

1174
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,079
like okay

1175
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,960
so i said i'll be back and i got my car

1176
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,079
i went back home

1177
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:20,640
and what what were the uh deb really

1178
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,280
quick uh

1179
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:24,079
this is for me not the audience uh what

1180
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:24,800
streets

1181
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:27,920
are we on uh with your parents

1182
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:31,680
ron kitley kently and mike i was

1183
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,480
hunter was the street right behind us

1184
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:36,880
and so i had been on hunter road

1185
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,440
i just cut over from iona and went right

1186
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:41,440
back down kitly it took like all of two

1187
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:42,000
minutes

1188
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,880
right um so anyways that's uh

1189
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:48,880
so jimmy you'll be out next time you go

1190
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:51,280
to i know i know i know exactly where

1191
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:51,920
this is

1192
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,520
uh yeah wow wow okay yeah

1193
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:58,079
so you're heading back i'm back to the

1194
00:53:03,270 --> 00:52:59,040
house now

1195
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:03,280
i'm i pull up along the side and i um

1196
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:07,040
i get out of my car and i go into what

1197
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,559
we call the florida room it was

1198
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,800
something my dad added on he built it

1199
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,520
this little room mom was in there and uh

1200
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,440
my dad had a shotgun next to the trash

1201
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,599
compactor and it was not loaded

1202
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,599
he didn't keep it loaded because i

1203
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:21,280
didn't you know i had my kids there and

1204
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,079
i didn't want

1205
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:24,319
a loaded a gun anywhere where they could

1206
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,359
get

1207
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,200
but my mom says to me you know that's

1208
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,880
not loaded right and i'm like yeah i do

1209
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,800
but whoever i'm about to hit upside the

1210
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:32,559
head with it don't know it till i get

1211
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:33,680
close enough

1212
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,359
you know so and and you know

1213
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,200
i have to say every time i tell the

1214
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,880
story i have to tell you i am not

1215
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,720
at that point in my life i was not a

1216
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,880
brave person today i would not think

1217
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,000
twice about it

1218
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,680
and i'm it's really hard to scare me

1219
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,880
but back then no i was not that was way

1220
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,240
out of character for me

1221
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,800
to do something like that so i went out

1222
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,640
there looked around didn't see anything

1223
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,920
check the pump house i went back behind

1224
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,920
the swimming pool and i did find my dog

1225
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,599
under dad's ladder truck but she would

1226
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,440
not come out

1227
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,200
so i headed for the garage because the

1228
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:11,280
door was open and i thought well if

1229
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,240
there's anybody

1230
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,760
around here that's where they're gonna

1231
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:16,160
be so i got into the garage

1232
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:19,920
and um while i'm in there

1233
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,880
all of a sudden i feel so i feel like my

1234
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,319
skin is on fire

1235
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,720
and i remember thinking oh my god i

1236
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:28,400
gotta get out of here right now

1237
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,520
and as i turned and uh to run through

1238
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:32,880
the pedestrian door

1239
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,839
bam something hits me like right in the

1240
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:37,200
solar plexus

1241
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:40,799
area you know right between your ribs

1242
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,079
chest yeah ribs yeah and it was like

1243
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,960
a ball of light and it was so white and

1244
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:49,040
bright and intense that i know my eyes

1245
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,079
were closed

1246
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,520
and i could still see it i couldn't get

1247
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:53,119
away from it i couldn't

1248
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,559
move and i it the i it's hard to

1249
00:55:03,109 --> 00:54:59,920
describe this sensation but it felt like

1250
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,119
i could feel every individual molecule

1251
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:06,400
molecule of my body that made up my body

1252
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,760
vibrate independently of of

1253
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,319
each other and almost feel like they

1254
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,000
were blown apart

1255
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,040
and i felt like i was on fire

1256
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:19,440
and i felt it it was a weird sensation

1257
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:20,720
that it was like time

1258
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,920
stopped like like

1259
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,839
i was suddenly suspended in this

1260
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:26,960
nothingness with

1261
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:30,720
no time and i i remember thinking oh

1262
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,079
i'm dead i i mean oh my god

1263
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:36,799
this is what it feels like to be dead

1264
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,200
and

1265
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,839
i have no idea how long that lasted how

1266
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:41,920
long i was like that but then

1267
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,559
the light quickly faded to where it

1268
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:46,960
wasn't painful

1269
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,480
and the vibration slowly stopped until

1270
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,960
i didn't feel it anymore i felt like i

1271
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:54,880
was back together but i couldn't

1272
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:57,839
move i could move my eyeballs and at

1273
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,559
that point

1274
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,559
i was just a little bit outside the door

1275
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,040
on the patio and i could see

1276
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:05,040
out in the yard in front of me what i

1277
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,240
thought were

1278
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,640
like six children in the yard and i

1279
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,480
remember thinking why are there

1280
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,520
children in our backyard

1281
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:16,000
and uh they were all they all seemed to

1282
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,960
be coming

1283
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,400
from different directions in the yard

1284
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,799
and they lined up in front of me

1285
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,599
and i couldn't see a lot of detail

1286
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:24,799
because my eyes were

1287
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,920
blown it was as if

1288
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,000
a dozen people took my picture with

1289
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,920
flash cubes all at the same time and i

1290
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,680
didn't blink fast enough

1291
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:36,720
and i just had these horrible splotches

1292
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,200
of

1293
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,760
white in my vision and my eyes hurt and

1294
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,480
i could

1295
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,680
see

1296
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,839
a little bit but it wasn't like i and it

1297
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,760
was started it was kind of dark out so i

1298
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:49,920
didn't really see a lot of detail

1299
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,390
uh

1300
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,319
as they moved as they moved in front of

1301
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,680
me and they moved uh

1302
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,119
together kind of lined up then they

1303
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,119
started to like glide

1304
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,880
down in front of me off to my left a

1305
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:08,400
little bit and that's when i saw that

1306
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,680
other thing

1307
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,480
that everyone and bud and even me have

1308
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:14,799
called it a craft

1309
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,799
but in retrospect

1310
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,319
wasn't nobody flying anywhere in that

1311
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,480
little bitty thing it wasn't much bigger

1312
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,280
than the pump house of the swimming pool

1313
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:27,680
and i i'm really crappy with

1314
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,880
trying to figure out you know

1315
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,799
sizes and everybody got but i think it

1316
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,960
was maybe about 10 feet tall

1317
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,920
i'm five foot i'm five foot three i mean

1318
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,559
so but it wasn't much bigger than me uh

1319
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,000
and i don't think that it was all the

1320
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,000
way on the ground because it seemed as

1321
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:45,680
if it kind of had a very

1322
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:49,920
ever ever so faint slight

1323
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,880
wobble to it there it was shaped

1324
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,040
egg-shaped

1325
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:57,760
and it had four appendages coming off of

1326
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,079
it

1327
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,359
and i could see two of them uh

1328
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,799
but they didn't look like they were

1329
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,559
sturdy enough to hold weight

1330
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,640
i almost felt like it was more for like

1331
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:08,480
stabilizing because it came kind of came

1332
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,960
out

1333
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,720
this the middle of this thing not near

1334
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:12,240
the bottom

1335
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,520
and they were real skinny and um

1336
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,680
there was a ball of light out in front

1337
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,280
of me maybe 20 or 25

1338
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,200
feet and it was about the size of a

1339
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,599
basketball and it was soft i could

1340
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,760
actually look at it without pain

1341
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,599
uh and it moved down really slow and

1342
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,599
then it went back up

1343
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,680
stopped where it started and i felt like

1344
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,040
it was looking at me

1345
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:36,240
for some reason i don't know at some

1346
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,280
point during this

1347
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,280
i feel someone's hugged down on my

1348
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:41,040
shoulder from behind me and it feels

1349
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,000
like someone has

1350
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,200
jammed a hot knitting needle in my ear

1351
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:48,000
all the way into my brain and i can't

1352
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,880
move

1353
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,359
and i can't even scream but i hear in my

1354
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:52,640
head someone say

1355
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,200
it's unfortunate that i felt this pain

1356
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,400
um and then at another point i remember

1357
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,440
thinking my kids

1358
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,200
oh my god my kids are in the house and

1359
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,160
all this is in front of me because

1360
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:08,799
i didn't want to look at them or this

1361
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,440
craft

1362
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,680
thing or whatever this thing was but i

1363
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,520
didn't not want to look at it because i

1364
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,799
wanted to know where it was in

1365
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,960
relationship to me at all times

1366
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,599
if it moved it close to me i was about

1367
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:21,280
to freak you know

1368
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,559
so um and then

1369
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,240
immediately then after i had that

1370
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,480
thought and that voice came back in my

1371
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,720
my head and said your children are safe

1372
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:32,559
your children are fine

1373
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:40,710
is my name somebody called my name and

1374
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,119
when

1375
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,920
i heard my name it was as if someone

1376
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:45,280
snapped their fingers

1377
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:48,079
and everything that i just described to

1378
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:48,720
you

1379
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,079
was no longer in my brain it was

1380
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,640
totally wiped from my memory my

1381
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:55,920
conscious

1382
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:59,440
and i remember slowly walking across the

1383
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,000
back lower

1384
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:02,160
patio up the steps to the upper back

1385
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,440
porch where the kitchen was

1386
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,520
and there was my mother so she and it

1387
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,440
was she told me later that she's the one

1388
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,280
that called my name

1389
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,319
uh and she said to me are

1390
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,920
are you okay is everything all right and

1391
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,599
i said everything's cool

1392
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,079
this is my exact words everything's cool

1393
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,000
but in my head i'm thinking

1394
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,319
i don't want to sew anymore i feel weird

1395
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,240
and gross and i just want to get wet

1396
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,839
i don't know why and and i wasn't

1397
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,559
feeling real good at that point

1398
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:31,440
so i went back to my friend's house and

1399
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,319
mind you

1400
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,040
i this was this was like i was gone we

1401
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,799
figured that i was gone probably an hour

1402
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:38,640
and 15 minutes or so

1403
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,880
but they uh didn't even realize it

1404
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,640
they didn't even realize i was gone so

1405
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,480
as long as i was even later when bud

1406
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break right there deb

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that's a good place to stop this is fade

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to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight our

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guest is debbie cobble

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wow that's all i got for now

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uh we're going to pick up right where we

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight

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01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:48,480
debbie cobble joins us for the first

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01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:49,520
time

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01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:52,799
and then tomorrow night ross colfar live

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from australia debbie was the subject

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one of the central figures in bud

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hopkins uh best-selling book

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intruders uh kathy davis in the book

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kathy davis and i can't believe uh you

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01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:10,079
know i know that you hear all the time

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01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,119
uh deb about what that book has meant to

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so many people

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and myself included and it is just an

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honor

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01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,160
to have you on the show tonight and of

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01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:21,760
course hanging out with you last week

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01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,079
but

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01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,480
before we get back i want to tell you

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i'm just going to make you laugh

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my two favorite hangouts in indianapolis

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steak and shake on washington and the

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405

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and waffle house on washington and post

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oh yeah right that's the two spots total

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that's the two spots right there that's

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right there okay

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um and uh i want to ask you this

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um when i first met you

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you have this aura of cool

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you are cool you are cool and and

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and and you've got that aura but were

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you

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as cool back in 1983

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no no i totally know

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i was a hot mess you were a hot mess

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01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:19,520
i was a hot mess i

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you know after 83 right after that whole

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thing happened and then the mark in the

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yard appeared and i started to remember

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that night and

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you know all that stuff started

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coming up i'm i really feel like i had a

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nervous breakdown at that point

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right i mean i would sit up all night

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long in between my two kids on their bed

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wait watch them sleep like i was waiting

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for something but i didn't know what

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right and then uh as soon as the sun

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would come up and mom would wake up

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and i'd kind of sleep for a little while

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and

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i was sick physically i had i developed

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a lot of

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health issues immediately after that

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night the next morning i woke up my eyes

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were swollen completely

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shut so my mom took me to the emergency

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room

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methodist no community

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community community where i was born

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and where my kids were born but

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they uh took me across the street to an

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ophthalmologist i have a hard time

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saying that word i don't know why

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uh i specialist eye doctor specialist

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01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:28,480
there who

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asked me upon examination

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had i looked into the arc of a welder's

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torch to which i

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said uh no um

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and and and when i was there i had not

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01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,040
remembered being hit with the light yet

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01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:47,359
or anything like that so i didn't i

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01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,159
didn't tell him

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01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,600
about the light because i didn't

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01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,839
remember it until several days later

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01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,600
when the mark appeared in the yard and i

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01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:55,679
saw that for the first time

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01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:58,719
um and i as a side note i will i must

1621
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,600
tell you

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01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:02,000
um in my 30s i was diagnosed with

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macular degeneration

1624
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,480
it's dry and stable and i was diagnosed

1625
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,560
with cataracts and by the time i hit 50

1626
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,120
i had brand new eyeball lenses

1627
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,679
implants because mine were shot and i

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01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:15,760
will always to this day

1629
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:19,840
blame that that night for my eyes being

1630
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,440
so wrecked like that but anyways

1631
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:26,400
we're going to get to uh you and i did

1632
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:27,199
talk about

1633
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,520
um uh some of your your medical issues

1634
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:34,560
which are absolutely incredible

1635
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:37,600
and i think that uh to go through all of

1636
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,560
that that's all

1637
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:40,800
part of life's journey but it's made who

1638
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:41,679
you are

1639
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,360
you're cool you're cool i could hang out

1640
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,120
with you i could hang out with you

1641
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,560
anytime and i did

1642
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:55,760
so okay yeah exactly exactly

1643
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:58,640
okay so let's back up um speaking of

1644
01:11:03,669 --> 01:10:59,920
cool

1645
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:03,679
let's let's back up and to that moment

1646
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,960
uh when your mom uh calls you

1647
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:09,120
out of the yard and you responded back

1648
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,400
it's cool

1649
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:12,719
everything's fine everything's cool okay

1650
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,679
so what happened next this hour and 15

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01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:17,520
minutes

1652
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:21,199
happened at that point

1653
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:24,320
right uh we were tail end of it and um

1654
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:28,080
i went back to my friend's house

1655
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,920
but i told her i said i don't i'm not

1656
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,159
feeling this i don't want to sew

1657
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,960
anymore tonight how about it's a nice

1658
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:36,239
warm night how about let's go back to

1659
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,960
mom's goes

1660
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:39,360
and go swimming because the pool had

1661
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,640
nice lights in it

1662
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,159
and lights around and everything and

1663
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,000
she's like yeah that's fine

1664
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:46,800
so she gathered up her uh teenage

1665
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:47,360
daughter

1666
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,640
to my mom's

1667
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,880
and as we're walking across the backyard

1668
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,320
towards the swimming pool

1669
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,920
her daughter steps on something which

1670
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,840
later on we realized it was actually the

1671
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:58,560
streak

1672
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:01,600
in the mark of the yard uh we

1673
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,719
thought at the time that maybe she'd

1674
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:06,000
stepped on a bee or something

1675
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:08,000
and we didn't see anything so we all got

1676
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,760
in the pool

1677
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,480
and all of us suddenly quite quickly we

1678
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:14,560
all started feeling really nauseous

1679
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,960
uh me worse and my eyes started feeling

1680
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,000
really weird and

1681
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,480
burned and i started to notice halos

1682
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,000
around the lights outside

1683
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,320
like kind of like you see when you open

1684
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:25,920
your eyes and the chlorine too many

1685
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,560
times

1686
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,560
except the problem with that was i had

1687
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,400
not gotten i hadn't mowed my eyes and

1688
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,630
so my friend pops off with this hey well

1689
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,800
you know let's go to white castle maybe

1690
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:40,800
we get some white castles will feel

1691
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:41,280
better

1692
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:44,719
me white castles

1693
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,159
unless you're drunk but

1694
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,120
so i'm like okay let's try that so we

1695
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:52,960
got out we dried off

1696
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:55,760
and then um you know we started heading

1697
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,400
towards

1698
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,480
uh the white castle but then that got

1699
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:00,719
aborted we quickly realized that was

1700
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,239
just not gonna work so um

1701
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:06,320
i went they i went home they took me

1702
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,520
back home and they went home

1703
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,520
and then the next morning i woke up and

1704
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,360
the eyes were shot

1705
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:14,080
and then fast forward to that following

1706
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,040
weekend which was

1707
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,960
july 4th weekend when the whole family

1708
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,640
always came to moms to swim

1709
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,960
and we'd shoot off these obscene amount

1710
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:21,920
of fireworks

1711
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,790
and the kids all ran out the back door

1712
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,880
to head to the swimming pool and

1713
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,640
they all ran back in real quick and said

1714
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:34,640
grandma what's wrong with your yard

1715
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:37,520
and so all the adults then trekked out

1716
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,560
to the back

1717
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,239
and that's when we saw the mark that was

1718
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:42,880
in the yard it was an eight-foot circle

1719
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:46,400
with a 49-foot streak slid off the side

1720
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,800
of it and that ended in a perfect arc

1721
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:51,280
and the grass in the circle was all laid

1722
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:52,960
down

1723
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,040
it wasn't crushed it was just kind of

1724
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:57,360
like it just laid down

1725
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:00,640
and it was a weird grayish brown color

1726
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:04,320
and my mother pops off

1727
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:07,520
with oh that's where our ufo landed

1728
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:10,560
and i i remember i think and well where

1729
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,320
did that come from and i looked at her

1730
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,080
and i think i might have even said what

1731
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,600
the hell

1732
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,600
and then i turned right back and looked

1733
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:19,280
at that mark in the yard and then

1734
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,239
it was like bam it was like somebody

1735
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:23,679
pulled the finger out of the dike and

1736
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,800
here it came

1737
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:27,120
all the little memories started flowing

1738
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,560
out

1739
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:30,239
first thing i saw when i looked at that

1740
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,760
mark in the yard was two big black eyes

1741
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,280
and and that was from that point on i

1742
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:36,960
just kind of lost it

1743
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:39,199
uh i started having flashbacks and

1744
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:40,080
memories and

1745
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,440
dreams nightmares and uh some i told my

1746
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,400
mom about

1747
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:46,400
some but most of it i didn't tell

1748
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,520
anybody because i was

1749
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:50,640
i thought oh my god i'm losing my mind

1750
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,310
that was when i started to think about

1751
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,400
missing time in that book and

1752
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,800
the more i you know as the days pass the

1753
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:02,320
more i remembered the more i

1754
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:03,840
and i also started to remember things

1755
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:07,360
that had happened prior to the june 3083

1756
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:10,159
incident like the 78 incident when i was

1757
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:10,719
a

1758
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:40,080
me

1759
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,640
but he never woke up and um

1760
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:46,960
suddenly i'm feeling calm i don't know

1761
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:49,280
how i went from oh my god don't touch me

1762
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,880
please don't kill me don't get anywhere

1763
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:51,600
near me

1764
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,280
and maybe i'll be all right to okay

1765
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:58,320
i'm calm and what is this thing and can

1766
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:58,960
i have it

1767
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:01,600
because no one's gonna believe this and

1768
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:02,000
uh

1769
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,840
they said no you can't have it but when

1770
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:05,199
you see it again you'll know what it's

1771
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,040
for you'll know what to do

1772
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:09,120
no you're talking about the black box

1773
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:10,640
and yeah

1774
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,960
this this caught my attention last week

1775
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:14,320
over dinner

1776
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,520
uh we everybody at the table wanted to

1777
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:19,679
talk about the black box and you told us

1778
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:20,640
about it

1779
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,600
uh can can we discuss that right now in

1780
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:25,280
detail

1781
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,910
so that was in 78 and i was just married

1782
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,360
and they

1783
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:35,199
they were in my room they kind of handed

1784
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,880
me this black at this point i'm sitting

1785
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:37,920
up in my bed

1786
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:40,239
husband's still laying next to me dead

1787
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:41,840
to the world

1788
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,880
but oblivious to what's going on and um

1789
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,960
i say can i have this can i keep it you

1790
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:49,040
know and and they said no but you'll

1791
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,719
see it again you'll know what to do with

1792
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:52,480
you'll know what it's for you know what

1793
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,880
to do with it or how to use it and then

1794
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,960
they let they took it back and they left

1795
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:59,040
and the next morning i told him i'm like

1796
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:59,760
you're not going to believe what

1797
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,880
happened last night

1798
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,360
and all he could say was oh what did you

1799
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,960
eat for dinner you know don't eat that

1800
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:05,760
again

1801
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,320
and i was so hyped over it i called my

1802
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,320
mother and i told her and she remembered

1803
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:12,480
when i called her and told her about it

1804
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,000
even years and years later when bud came

1805
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:18,480
uh for his first first round of

1806
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,360
investigative

1807
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:22,560
you know stuff but um

1808
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:25,679
so that was in 78 and then

1809
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:28,960
shortly after that not even a year i

1810
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,440
think

1811
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:32,640
maybe in 79 i had gotten pregnant with

1812
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:34,239
my son

1813
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:37,920
and um it went

1814
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:41,679
really wrong and by the time i was

1815
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:44,320
about six or seven weeks out from him

1816
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,280
being born

1817
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,920
i went into eclampsia and i started

1818
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:49,280
having organ failure

1819
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:52,400
and i was kind of semi-comatose and then

1820
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:55,600
um i remember the doctor was a devout

1821
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,640
catholic

1822
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,880
and was getting ready to take me into

1823
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,560
the operating room to do an emergency

1824
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:02,000
c-section because if he didn't i was

1825
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:03,120
going to die

1826
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:06,239
and he said let's let's pray and i'm

1827
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:06,719
like

1828
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,920
okay and so uh then they they go give me

1829
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:11,040
the

1830
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:14,800
because i

1831
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:17,440
like woke up right away but i couldn't

1832
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,159
move

1833
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:19,920
they whatever they gave me to paralyze

1834
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:22,239
me worked and i could feel them cut me

1835
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,960
open

1836
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,120
i could feel them pinch and pull and

1837
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,360
burn like fire and i wanted to let

1838
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:28,880
somebody know i could feel this but i

1839
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:32,400
couldn't move or scream or anything

1840
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:35,679
and i heard them talking about geist

1841
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,719
reservoir

1842
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:39,360
and sailboats really heard them

1843
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,000
sometimes

1844
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,560
yes some kind of talk about that going

1845
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,560
on in here

1846
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,040
and then the voices started going really

1847
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,280
far and farther and farther away

1848
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:51,120
it sounded like they were go in another

1849
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,640
room and then farther

1850
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,360
and then i felt this whoop this kind of

1851
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:57,120
womp feeling and i

1852
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:00,719
literally unplugged from my body

1853
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:05,760
and i was in a black box

1854
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:08,960
and i was pounding with my fists on this

1855
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,040
black box and i was trying to scream

1856
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:14,239
i'm not dead let me out

1857
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,800
and the the weird part is

1858
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,880
my whole life that i just unlocked from

1859
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:22,800
i didn't remember any of it

1860
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:24,560
i mean i didn't realize remember i was

1861
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:26,159
having a baby i had a baby or anything

1862
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,040
like that

1863
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:29,679
but what happened was then next i

1864
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,320
couldn't get out of this black box

1865
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:34,239
but what happened next was i heard a

1866
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:36,159
voice in my ear and i think it was a

1867
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:36,880
nurse

1868
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:39,440
and she said to me you can't leave yet

1869
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,400
your baby's

1870
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,880
just been born and he needs his mother

1871
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,800
and as soon as i heard baby i'm like oh

1872
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,159
wait a minute

1873
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,800
i ain't going anywhere you know and i

1874
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,960
locked right back in and when i did

1875
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,960
the voices started to come back and they

1876
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,800
got louder and louder and louder

1877
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:56,560
and there was a screaming and carrying

1878
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,040
on at one point i felt like i'd been

1879
01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:00,960
taken off the table thrown back on the

1880
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,600
table

1881
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:04,159
i felt straps around my legs and then i

1882
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:04,640
felt

1883
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:08,639
oxygen coming in my throat and i

1884
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:11,760
it felt so good to feel this air

1885
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:14,880
in me that i was literally gulping this

1886
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,280
air

1887
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:17,920
back into my body like drinking water

1888
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:19,760
and i felt ugh

1889
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:22,719
finally and um oh it's just the weirdest

1890
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,199
thing

1891
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:25,360
but then but see i i don't know why i

1892
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:26,320
connect the

1893
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:30,000
black box they showed me months before

1894
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:33,120
and then me actually in a black box

1895
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,719
trying to get out so i mean it wasn't

1896
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:36,960
your typical near-death experience but

1897
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:39,679
it was definitely did something change

1898
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,719
something in me

1899
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,480
and uh even whitley even made the

1900
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:43,760
comment which i thought was interesting

1901
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:44,840
he said maybe

1902
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:48,639
um you were gonna leave

1903
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,000
and somebody captured you in a black box

1904
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:54,239
and didn't let you leave because you

1905
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,920
still had stuff to do here

1906
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:58,000
yeah yeah yeah that's exactly what it

1907
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:58,960
sounds like

1908
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:02,000
um and just listening to this um

1909
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:06,000
it is so uh it's so intense

1910
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:08,639
right and the description of uh you know

1911
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:09,760
the oxygen

1912
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:13,040
coming into you and the sensations

1913
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:15,760
uh that you were feeling with that the

1914
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,880
relief

1915
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,040
it's just uh it's very intense uh to

1916
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:21,280
listen uh to all of this

1917
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:30,950
you mean with your son yes

1918
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:34,800
well you know remember this was 42 years

1919
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:35,280
ago

1920
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:38,080
right you know think about medical the

1921
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,440
capable

1922
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:42,080
capabilities of medicine then as opposed

1923
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:42,960
to now

1924
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:45,679
but 42 years ago after being going

1925
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,080
through

1926
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:49,280
all that my son and i went home together

1927
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:51,440
seven days later right on he was

1928
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:52,320
definitely

1929
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,960
early because he didn't have any

1930
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:56,000
fingernails or toenails

1931
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,600
yet he just had little dents where they

1932
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,280
would eventually come in

1933
01:22:03,110 --> 01:22:01,760
right he had long white hair all over

1934
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,120
him his eyes were still

1935
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,360
kind of sealed shut like a puppy dog and

1936
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,800
his ears were

1937
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:09,360
curled they were still rolled up and

1938
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,800
hadn't opened yet

1939
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,480
he didn't even know how to suck when he

1940
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:14,080
was born they had to

1941
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,080
feed him he had and this is the crazy

1942
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,320
part his lungs were fully developed

1943
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,199
he was five pounds and 20 and a half

1944
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:23,360
inches long

1945
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:27,199
and he was almost seven weeks premature

1946
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:27,760
he would

1947
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:30,880
be a monster baby and i was

1948
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,920
not my insides are not that big he would

1949
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,920
have been a c-section whether i was sick

1950
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,639
or not

1951
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:39,120
but he was huge and now this this kid

1952
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,000
now is my

1953
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:43,040
42 year old son whom i'm so proud of

1954
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:44,239
he's brilliant

1955
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:47,120
he is um he didn't have any of the

1956
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:48,400
things that they said that

1957
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,080
might happen to him because he was born

1958
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,080
so early nothing

1959
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,560
he excelled how many the high school

1960
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,320
that he went to here actually put him in

1961
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:58,159
college computer classes when he was in

1962
01:23:02,709 --> 01:22:59,600
like the seventh grade

1963
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:02,719
because he developed the database for

1964
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:03,360
their

1965
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:06,800
uh um sports uh

1966
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:09,120
program in the seventh grade on

1967
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:10,159
computers

1968
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:14,080
he's smart and i'm so proud of him and

1969
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:15,120
all the stuff he does now he's a

1970
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,480
microsoft engineer

1971
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,880
he installs phone systems he used he

1972
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,000
lived in california

1973
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:22,560
and uh oakland in pleasanton and

1974
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,600
glendale for

1975
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:25,920
seven or eight years working out there

1976
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:26,639
but

1977
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:30,480
he's my little genius he's my genius

1978
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:35,199
i embarrass him all the time now um

1979
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:38,880
the the flooding back i'm looking at the

1980
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:41,120
clock here before we get to the break

1981
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,400
the flooding back of of of the memories

1982
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:47,520
um is one thing but your mom

1983
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,400
said that's where the ufo was

1984
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:54,800
did your what what was it that your mom

1985
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,480
witnessed before we get back to the

1986
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:58,159
memories and and continue

1987
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,280
what was it that your mom saw you know

1988
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,880
and she didn't tell me this until like a

1989
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,159
week later one day we were in the

1990
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,080
kitchen and she's like

1991
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,040
you know i just remembered why i called

1992
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:10,560
you back home that day and i'm like

1993
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,600
really why

1994
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,360
and she's like well i was standing at

1995
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,040
the kitchen window and i saw this

1996
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:17,040
ball of light around the bird feeder

1997
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:18,159
that was right out in front of the

1998
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,960
window

1999
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:21,120
and she goes i thought is somebody out

2000
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,960
there with the flashlight you know beam

2001
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,920
shown on this

2002
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,679
bird feeder and she goes i didn't see

2003
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,120
anything and then i thought maybe

2004
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,560
your dad came home early and it was

2005
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,719
headlights she goes but again i didn't

2006
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:32,080
see anything and she goes i'm just

2007
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:32,960
standing there

2008
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,679
staring at this white light it was about

2009
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:37,840
the size of a basketball

2010
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,360
and she said it got smaller and smaller

2011
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:43,520
and smaller and smaller and then poof it

2012
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,040
disappeared and she said the minute it

2013
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,199
did the second it disappeared

2014
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,960
it's when it come into my head that i

2015
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:50,719
needed to call you and tell you to come

2016
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:51,760
home right now

2017
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:55,199
i'm like well damn i might have known

2018
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,920
that

2019
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,320
well maybe i don't know but yeah she

2020
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,000
didn't she didn't even remember that

2021
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,480
herself for like a week

2022
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,360
and did she see the the craft with the

2023
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,360
appendages

2024
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,080
i don't think so i don't ever recall

2025
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:12,960
hearing her say that

2026
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,520
i don't that was further down she would

2027
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,960
not have been able to see

2028
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:18,960
it from where she was in the kitchen and

2029
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,960
i don't ever remember her being out

2030
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:22,880
i remember her calling my name out the

2031
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,639
door but she was actually still

2032
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,400
in the kitchen when the door was open

2033
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,760
she was calling my name

2034
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,440
and from her point of view there she

2035
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:31,520
would not have been able to see it

2036
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:34,560
from where it was or maybe barely but

2037
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,679
you know

2038
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,520
not enough to realize there was

2039
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,040
something really major there

2040
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,920
now before we get to the break um back

2041
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:43,600
to the part of the

2042
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:47,760
of of this experience um

2043
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:50,960
the the mention from your mom

2044
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:53,440
right the mark in the yard everybody's

2045
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,320
there boom

2046
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:57,600
everything comes flooding back um

2047
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:00,719
take us through that moment and and

2048
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:05,840
was it uh was it a complete memory

2049
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:08,639
no it was chunks bits and pieces came

2050
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,629
the most complete part of the memory

2051
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:16,880
came back to me

2052
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,760
later on in the evening i think or maybe

2053
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:21,600
in the next day or two when i actually

2054
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:22,239
remembered

2055
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:26,880
being hit in the chest and i

2056
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,760
you know for there was one point for a

2057
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:31,280
couple of weeks that i point to the

2058
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,719
emergency room probably

2059
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:34,960
i don't know two or three times in a

2060
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:37,440
week

2061
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,830
she she wasn't sure what to do with me

2062
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:45,440
because when you go to the emergency

2063
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,719
room and you walk in there and they call

2064
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,000
you by your first name

2065
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,639
they know you you know you got a problem

2066
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:52,080
but uh

2067
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,790
i was struggling to try and explain

2068
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,080
everything so

2069
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:02,560
at this you know later on in this point

2070
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:03,520
here i

2071
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:05,840
i started like i called the agricultural

2072
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:06,639
agent for

2073
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:09,440
indiana at purdue uh called the gas

2074
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,639
company

2075
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:12,000
and trying to figure out what could

2076
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:14,000
cause this mark in the yard i mean i was

2077
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:15,600
really looking for

2078
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:18,719
whatever reasonable explanation i could

2079
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:19,520
find

2080
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,040
in the meantime i also went out and i

2081
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:23,040
tried to dig some of it up

2082
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:25,040
and uh you know i was about 100 pounds

2083
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:26,800
heavier than i am now

2084
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:29,679
and i was out there with a spade jumping

2085
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,000
up

2086
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,320
and down on this sucker trying to chunk

2087
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:34,320
off little pieces of it and i was barely

2088
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:37,040
dusting it up but uh and there was a big

2089
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,639
crack on one side of it and i thought i

2090
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:40,560
wonder how deep that goes

2091
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,120
and so i got one of those measuring

2092
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:45,199
sticks a 12-inch you know ruler from

2093
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,000
school

2094
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,840
and i stuck it down in that crack i was

2095
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:49,280
going to see if i could get to figure

2096
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,040
out how deep the crack was and i dropped

2097
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:53,120
the ruler and it disappeared so i never

2098
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:54,080
found it

2099
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:56,960
it was big though also the soil smelled

2100
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,600
kind of weird

2101
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:02,080
so i you know i was at this point i'm

2102
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,040
trying to

2103
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:05,120
rationalize everything away and i'm also

2104
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:06,480
telling myself

2105
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,400
calm down you're you're out of control

2106
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:12,400
i was it was so bad that one point i

2107
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,440
couldn't go

2108
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:15,760
to the bathroom in that upstairs

2109
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,480
bathroom

2110
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,400
because that little window overlooked

2111
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,000
the mark in the yard

2112
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:23,199
and i don't know why and but i felt like

2113
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:24,560
if i went in there at night

2114
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:25,840
something was going to pull me out the

2115
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,320
window and so i couldn't go to the

2116
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:30,400
bathroom and i could go during the day

2117
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:34,159
but just not in the at night i mean it

2118
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,800
it was ridiculous you know um

2119
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,480
that's why i reached out to bud that's

2120
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,560
how desperate i was

2121
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:45,199
i was desperate i mean who i knew if i

2122
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:46,560
told

2123
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,800
like a doctor or something that i was

2124
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:50,800
going to the round house

2125
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,239
you know i was going to be heavily

2126
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,840
medicated right right and i didn't

2127
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:54,960
really want that i was

2128
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:58,159
just trying to make sense of it all and

2129
01:29:01,270 --> 01:29:00,960
deb you know deb before we head to the

2130
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:01,280
break

2131
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,320
i just want to ask you this the uh

2132
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:07,040
the six i'm using air quotes here the

2133
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:07,440
six

2134
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:10,800
children in the yard was that part of

2135
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:16,229
oh they came that all of that yeah that

2136
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:17,040
was what

2137
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,880
part of what came back and i don't uh

2138
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:22,239
i don't know what they were doing out

2139
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,000
there and i i

2140
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,520
called them bullets when i first saw

2141
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,520
them because like i told but

2142
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:29,280
i basically could only see the shape of

2143
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:30,880
them and they just looked like they had

2144
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:34,000
bigger heads and and were narrow

2145
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:36,400
but they were the size of kids so i

2146
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:38,320
thought they were children

2147
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,520
absolutely i don't think they were

2148
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:41,280
children absolutely incredible let's

2149
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:43,040
take our break right here this is fade

2150
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:43,840
to black

2151
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:45,440
i am your host jimmy church i guess

2152
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:47,679
tonight debbie cobble

2153
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,560
it's an incredible story an incredible

2154
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:52,639
life of contact and we're going to do it

2155
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,760
all tonight with deb

2156
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,679
and more when we come back after this

2157
01:30:08,530 --> 01:29:57,280
short break stay with us this is

2158
01:30:08,540 --> 01:30:15,430
[Music]

2159
01:30:20,730 --> 01:30:18,629
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2160
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:20,740
you're listening to fade to black

2161
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and where we're headed do you wonder

2162
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:28,960
about the food supply

2163
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:31,520
i do disruptions in the food supply

2164
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:33,120
chain could be disastrous

2165
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,199
and they usually occur with little

2166
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:37,440
warning that's why the smartest thing

2167
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:39,520
you can do today is to stockpile

2168
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2169
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2170
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personally recommend

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in fact they're the only source my

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family trusts for our preparedness plan

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you should too right now save 20

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off a full four week supply of delicious

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2182
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saving twenty percent helps too doesn't

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it especially now

2184
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so go to prepare with jimmy.com and get

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2202
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:08,149
you are listening to fade to black with

2203
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:12,960
jimmy church on the game changer network

2204
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:15,520
hi i'm reese vance you're listening to

2205
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:16,560
jimmy church

2206
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:19,679
this is revolution the revolution will

2207
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:21,040
not be televised

2208
01:32:29,140 --> 01:32:24,840
the revolution is on radio

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01:33:07,669 --> 01:32:58,260
[Music]

2210
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:09,350
welcome back fade to black i am your

2211
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:10,880
host jimmy church i guess tonight debbie

2212
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:13,360
cobble more with debbie in just a second

2213
01:33:17,709 --> 01:33:15,120
but now i need to talk to you about

2214
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:17,719
virtual shield virtual shield

2215
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:22,080
vpn everybody needs their own vpn

2216
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:24,639
today you saw what i just went through

2217
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:27,360
right tonight right here panic attack

2218
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:30,560
uh i run too many computers uh

2219
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:32,800
to to make this show happen every single

2220
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:34,719
night every one of them

2221
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:37,360
runs virtual shield vpn they are all

2222
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:38,719
running on the internet they all have

2223
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:40,000
ethernet connections

2224
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:43,120
but nobody knows how to find me that's

2225
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,040
what i do i run in secret i'm in a

2226
01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:47,360
secret location my location

2227
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:50,320
is confidential i can pick any city

2228
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,800
right

2229
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:53,440
i can reside there all of my search

2230
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:54,159
traffic

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now debbie uh the

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the question that i think is on

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01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:50,480
everybody's mind

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01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:52,000
uh because you had something that

2260
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:55,040
happened in 1978 with the black box

2261
01:35:02,550 --> 01:34:58,960
and now we're in 1983 um

2262
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:02,560
did you ever ask yourself why you

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01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:05,679
well all the time uh you know i did all

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01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:06,320
the time

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01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:09,920
especially back then um

2266
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:11,760
my mother had some where it happened to

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01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:13,119
her when she was little

2268
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:15,600
a girl a little girl and i didn't even

2269
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:17,440
know it i heard her tell him bud about

2270
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:19,280
it one time

2271
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:21,920
she had memories of being chased through

2272
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:27,510
you know and then there's me and my

2273
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:29,199
sister so

2274
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:31,840
uh and mom was adopted so we're not sure

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01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:32,880
about

2276
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:36,159
you know any of her

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01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:39,040
blood family beyond her but it seems

2278
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,159
like it you know

2279
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,719
mama just was born to the right person

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01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,800
at the right time or the wrong

2281
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:46,480
right person at the wrong time depending

2282
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:48,880
on your perspective you know

2283
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:52,560
so but yeah i don't it is what it is so

2284
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,320
i finally learned to embrace it after

2285
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:56,320
all these years and all this weird stuff

2286
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:58,239
and i finally figured out early enough

2287
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,840
thank god to write things down

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01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:01,760
however little they were because there

2289
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:03,119
is so much in

2290
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:05,920
my you know it's been my whole life and

2291
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:06,320
i'm

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01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:09,119
62 years old so it's like that's a lot

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01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:10,239
of stuff

2294
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:13,520
so i wrote it all down and that's what

2295
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,560
ended up

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01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,320
coming out in in the books that i've

2297
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:17,760
written now you know

2298
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:20,719
which i mainly did for people like me

2299
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:22,400
who've had these experiences so they

2300
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:23,600
know they're not alone

2301
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,960
and maybe they'll be a little less

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01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:26,880
afraid to speak out right

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01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:30,000
and for my granddaughter and

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01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:32,080
any future grandchildren or

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01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,360
great-grandchildren you know down the

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01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:35,520
line so they know

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01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:39,199
me and who they come from and

2308
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:42,320
you know what what may be for them

2309
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:45,440
too someday who knows now all of this

2310
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:49,119
um you know leads you to bud and

2311
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:53,679
um bud is somebody that has escaped me

2312
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:57,040
i never got a chance uh to interview him

2313
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:00,560
um but he is such a central figure in

2314
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,040
in ufology and experiencers and and

2315
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:05,440
contactees and abductions

2316
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:08,719
um what was what was he like uh

2317
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:11,600
when he first met him i i i just want i

2318
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:14,560
hope he's as cool as you

2319
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:18,080
i i you know when i first got off that

2320
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:19,920
bus in new york for the first time i was

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01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:20,800
terrified

2322
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:23,040
and i didn't know who i was going to

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01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,000
meet

2324
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:26,560
and there stood this man with this funny

2325
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:28,320
lopsided smile

2326
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:32,000
kind of you know baggy shirt and pants

2327
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:33,040
carrying a

2328
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:35,040
bag full of muffins and a cup of coffee

2329
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:37,440
and had a smile on his face and he was

2330
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:38,639
just

2331
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,520
for me my experience with him was that

2332
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,280
he was one of the kindest

2333
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,320
most compassionate and caring

2334
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,440
people i'd ever met he genuinely

2335
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:51,840
cared about not just me but my whole

2336
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:52,880
family and

2337
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,960
genuinely wanted to do what he could do

2338
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:56,400
to help us

2339
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,159
keeping in mind that he was not a

2340
01:38:01,109 --> 01:38:00,320
psychologist psychiatrist doctor

2341
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:01,119
scientist

2342
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:04,960
he was an artist but he felt driven

2343
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:08,400
and compelled to go into this field

2344
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,239
he says it's because he had a sighting

2345
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,480
back in the 60s on the cape with friends

2346
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:14,400
while driving on the cape and i always

2347
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,320
said did you get snatched you know

2348
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:18,080
he's like no no no that didn't i didn't

2349
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:20,320
have that happen i'm like are you sure

2350
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:22,560
i said you're pretty driven you know and

2351
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,239
he's like no no no no

2352
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,400
but uh so he denied all that but you

2353
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:28,239
know he

2354
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,280
he was thorough um

2355
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,840
he was very careful because i was

2356
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:34,960
already fragile

2357
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:37,840
and he obviously didn't want to do any

2358
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:38,800
more damage

2359
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:41,040
the minute i got off the bus the first

2360
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,880
thing we did when i got off the subway

2361
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,320
was

2362
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,800
he took me to a psychiatrist's office dr

2363
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,560
aphrodite clamor in new york

2364
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,159
and introduced me to her and had a

2365
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,719
little interview with her she even

2366
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:55,360
she regressed me with some hypno

2367
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:57,040
hypnosis but it wasn't to

2368
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:59,119
investigate anything it was to relax to

2369
01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:00,800
calm me down because i was so full of

2370
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:01,600
anxiety

2371
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,280
and just to let me see what the how

2372
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,600
hypnosis felt because i had these

2373
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,199
preconceived notions about them like

2374
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,800
everyone else does you know you see

2375
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:12,080
people on tv

2376
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,920
and the hypnotherapist tells everybody

2377
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:15,840
to you know dance like a chicken and

2378
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,880
bark like a dog yes yeah that's not how

2379
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:20,159
it works

2380
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:23,360
so um but you know he reached out to

2381
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:24,400
professionals

2382
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:27,440
he um

2383
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:30,960
so and he created a network

2384
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,440
uh like a buddy system even before i

2385
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:35,040
made my first trip to new york he had

2386
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:36,800
hooked me up with a buddy that's what he

2387
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:37,520
called him

2388
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:39,600
it was a woman about my age a little

2389
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:40,800
older who'd

2390
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:43,600
been uh already been aware of her

2391
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:44,239
experience

2392
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,600
longer than i had and so you know

2393
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:50,080
i could call her and she always said

2394
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:51,600
anytime day or night i don't care if

2395
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:53,199
something words happen and call me and i

2396
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:54,159
did

2397
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:57,520
um so uh so he hooked us up with

2398
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:00,320
with buddy so we weren't alone and

2399
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:02,480
didn't feel alone and then he also

2400
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:05,600
had um group meetings where everybody

2401
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:07,040
would just get together

2402
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:10,639
at his apartment and share

2403
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,920
you know and he like the

2404
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,520
one time i went to new york he took me

2405
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,600
to the hospital there i think it might

2406
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:19,360
have been columbia university hospital

2407
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,239
and now but

2408
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:23,280
but i'm not exactly i can't remember

2409
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:26,719
i had an eeg of my brain with the wires

2410
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,760
in your

2411
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:30,320
stuck to your head and i had a cat scan

2412
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:32,000
of my brain and i remember i had to sign

2413
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,440
a release

2414
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:35,440
for them to put the dye or whatever in

2415
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:37,920
me when they x-rayed my head

2416
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,800
all this was either donated or the the

2417
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:42,400
service was donated or the money was

2418
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,000
donated to pay for because i had no

2419
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:45,840
money

2420
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:48,320
and he and also i had six hours of

2421
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:49,119
verbal

2422
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:52,159
and written psychological testing done

2423
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:53,040
because he was

2424
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:54,400
you know being a good investigator

2425
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:57,520
trying to eliminate obvious causes like

2426
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,880
epilepsy brain tumors seizures

2427
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:03,520
um you know mental illness you know

2428
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,080
profound

2429
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,800
mental illness i remember telling the

2430
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:08,239
one of the doctors during the

2431
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,600
psychological testing i said you know

2432
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:11,520
it's okay if you tell me i'm crazy

2433
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:13,280
i'm good with that because they make

2434
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:15,280
pills that i can take and this will go

2435
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,400
away and i'm okay

2436
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:19,119
right right right and yeah he's you know

2437
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:20,239
the only thing they could come up with

2438
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:21,840
with that was i was above average

2439
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,719
intelligence

2440
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,400
and i exhibited symptoms of something

2441
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:26,560
called post-traumatic stress disorder

2442
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:30,320
and that was 35 years ago when

2443
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:32,159
people didn't talk about ptsd like they

2444
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:33,360
do now right right

2445
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:37,119
so um but but bud

2446
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,280
tried to be as professional as he could

2447
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:41,679
he reached out to the professionals

2448
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:44,960
and um i think you know i felt blessed

2449
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:48,159
to have been early on in his journey

2450
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,840
with this whole thing because

2451
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,600
you know as the book after he wrote

2452
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:53,760
intruders then he wrote witnessed and

2453
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:56,800
and then he wrote sight unseen and and

2454
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:58,400
you know got more popular and more

2455
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:59,840
people were reaching out to him he was

2456
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:00,480
literally

2457
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,199
swamped with people from around the

2458
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:05,119
world that were desperate for his help

2459
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:05,920
so

2460
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,119
i didn't you know i i was up and i was

2461
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:10,960
functioning i was doing much better

2462
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,880
and i was on my way you know he was in

2463
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:14,000
new york i was in indiana

2464
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:16,480
so i didn't get to see him or talk to

2465
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,239
him as much as i would have liked

2466
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,840
as the years passed and then when he

2467
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:21,760
found out he had cancer

2468
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:24,719
he called me and he he said i want you

2469
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:25,760
to hear it from me

2470
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:28,239
before you hear it somewhere else you

2471
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:30,400
know i mean he was like a father to me

2472
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:33,600
when i got the phone call that he died i

2473
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:37,199
cried as hard as i did when i got the

2474
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:38,080
call

2475
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:41,199
that my father died literally he

2476
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:44,480
was like a father i was young and he in

2477
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:47,199
his whole family even his wife who used

2478
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,840
to

2479
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:50,400
all the time and say hopkins i

2480
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:52,800
didn't marry a ufo investigator i very i

2481
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:54,639
married an artist you know

2482
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:57,199
but we got along and she welcomed me

2483
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:59,119
into that family fold and they they

2484
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:00,560
treated me like another one of their

2485
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:01,840
kids and

2486
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,760
and they were my whole family loved his

2487
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,040
whole family and i

2488
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:07,679
feel very blessed that i got that

2489
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:08,960
opportunity

2490
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,830
there is um okay i'm just going to get

2491
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:19,760
straight at this of on a couple of

2492
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:20,960
points

2493
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:25,119
um you go through a lot of therapy

2494
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:29,119
um but there is another

2495
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:32,560
step that all of this takes

2496
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,320
you're on a craft right and and

2497
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:39,600
these experiences and i asked you this

2498
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:40,800
in person

2499
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:44,400
so i'm gonna ask you again now how much

2500
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:48,239
of this was uh

2501
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:51,760
uh uh real

2502
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:54,960
you know real physical and how much of

2503
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:55,440
it

2504
01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:59,520
wasn't and i believe your answer to me

2505
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,400
was jimmy it it was all physical in the

2506
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:03,760
beginning

2507
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:07,360
and then it transitioned to

2508
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,719
something else can can we jump into that

2509
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:12,480
a little a little bit deeper we didn't

2510
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:14,159
have a chance to uh

2511
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:17,360
to talk about it so how much of it early

2512
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,000
on

2513
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:20,719
was physical and over time when did it

2514
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:23,199
uh start to make this transition

2515
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:26,159
well a lot of it was physical contact

2516
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:27,199
you know obviously

2517
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:31,760
in the the mark in the yard there were

2518
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,320
later we bud found witnesses to that

2519
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,679
night so there were other people

2520
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:37,600
involved other witnesses

2521
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,159
and um there were all kinds of other

2522
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:42,239
weird little things that also involved

2523
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:44,960
other people uh and other people

2524
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:46,800
witnessing strange things

2525
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:49,199
so um you know in the beginning it was a

2526
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:50,800
definitely more of a

2527
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:53,520
3d in this reality physical kind of

2528
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:54,880
contact

2529
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:58,960
but i'd say when it changed was probably

2530
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:04,790
around 1992 and that was like right

2531
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:06,000
after

2532
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:09,760
um that was right before a very

2533
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,600
traumatic part of my life and it was

2534
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:13,360
right after i had

2535
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:16,239
uh had a total hysterectomy and then

2536
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:17,760
there was something that happened

2537
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:21,280
at the farmhouse with my husband at the

2538
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:22,400
time who

2539
01:45:29,669 --> 01:45:26,320
passed away and our house guests

2540
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:29,679
and then my husband passed away

2541
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:33,040
um you know i had this

2542
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,800
love-hate relationship with this i

2543
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:36,480
realized that my life and

2544
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:39,840
myself wouldn't be who i am and how i

2545
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:40,639
was growing

2546
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:43,600
and everything without it but yet there

2547
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,080
were

2548
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:46,159
times in my life when i was like i just

2549
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,840
wished it would leave me alone i try to

2550
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:49,600
be invisible i just wanted to be

2551
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:51,440
normal i just want to have a normal life

2552
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:54,000
you know and this was preventing me

2553
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,760
every time i try to have a normal life

2554
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:57,280
something would happen and i'd just get

2555
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:58,000
dropped right back

2556
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,880
in well the physical stuff finally

2557
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:02,159
stopped

2558
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:06,159
about 92 but i started having what

2559
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:10,320
um like it started to shift to more of a

2560
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:13,760
um out of body experiences

2561
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,960
or um like i go to sleep at night and

2562
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:18,480
literally go somewhere else

2563
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:20,560
you know and have these lucid dreams or

2564
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:22,000
i'd have

2565
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,080
uh these lucid dreams or

2566
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:28,880
where i would visit these other people

2567
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:29,840
would visit me

2568
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:32,080
and tell me things and i would draw

2569
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:34,320
pictures and write things down

2570
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:37,520
that started back in the late 80s and

2571
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:39,520
so it was just a gradual transition

2572
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:41,920
between you know first of all it started

2573
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,600
in a physical sense with the

2574
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:47,760
even the and you know the injury that i

2575
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,119
feel like i

2576
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:51,199
sustained from that i don't think it was

2577
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,960
intentional i think it was an

2578
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:55,119
inadvertent effect of whatever was going

2579
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:57,119
on i didn't i don't think it was done on

2580
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:58,000
purpose

2581
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:01,600
but um and then you know i don't know i

2582
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:02,560
started changing

2583
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:04,639
like i said i started having these vivid

2584
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:05,920
vivid dreams

2585
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:08,480
i started having these memories of going

2586
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:09,920
somewhere else when i sleep

2587
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:13,040
i started to encounter strange people

2588
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:15,199
you know during the day waking time i

2589
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:17,280
started paranormal activity started to

2590
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:17,920
ramp up

2591
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:21,520
around me um and my whole family

2592
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:22,560
actually

2593
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:24,159
what people would call paranormal

2594
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:25,600
activity you know

2595
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:27,920
like the ashtray that split in half when

2596
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:30,000
i flipped my cigarette over it a big

2597
01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:31,760
heavy glass amber one you know how heavy

2598
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:38,149
and tvs turning on and off balls

2599
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,560
balls of light fly through the house and

2600
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:42,000
whiz around everyone's head and then

2601
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:42,800
take off

2602
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,199
blue balls of light white balls of light

2603
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:47,760
and a green ball of light that flashed

2604
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:49,360
so brightly in the house that it blew

2605
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:51,840
the light bulb turned the tv off and

2606
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:53,440
made the phone ring

2607
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,280
all the same time you know just just

2608
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:59,920
that kind of stuff started happening and

2609
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:01,760
i and i started thinking to myself what

2610
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:02,480
is this a

2611
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:05,040
test to see how i'm going to react to

2612
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:06,320
this

2613
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,520
i recall um

2614
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:11,840
having gotten off work at a village

2615
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:12,560
pantry

2616
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:15,119
working the late shift jacked up on

2617
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,320
coffee and cigarettes

2618
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:18,960
you know trying to lay down in bed and

2619
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,199
close my eyes

2620
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:23,280
and all of a sudden it's like i'm

2621
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:24,639
looking at

2622
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:27,520
snow on a television screen in my head

2623
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:27,920
with

2624
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:30,800
you know and i can hear us then i

2625
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,719
started hearing

2626
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,639
a voice and they're talking but they're

2627
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:35,920
not talking to me it's like i'm

2628
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:37,679
overhearing a conversation in some

2629
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:40,480
language that i don't even understand

2630
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:44,400
and then i see these crazy looking eyes

2631
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:47,040
for a minute in this snow and they look

2632
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:47,600
like

2633
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,639
cat eyes you know so

2634
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,400
stuff like that started happening now

2635
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:57,920
you know kind of sometimes i thought

2636
01:49:03,030 --> 01:48:59,760
maybe i'm losing my mind

2637
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:05,910
i just write it down and try to continue

2638
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,719
on with my life and

2639
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,480
you know at first that started that

2640
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,880
scared me but now

2641
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:15,280
it didn't scare you know i got over it

2642
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:16,719
didn't scare me i started trying to

2643
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:18,639
figure out what that was you know

2644
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,960
always trying to figure out something

2645
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:22,960
and reporting it to bud and whoever else

2646
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:23,920
would listen

2647
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:28,800
now um uh how much regression uh

2648
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:30,480
i think you told me you didn't do a

2649
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:32,880
whole lot but how much regression

2650
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:36,480
uh therapy did you do um

2651
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:38,159
you know like i didn't do a whole lot

2652
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:40,800
because i lived in indiana and bud lived

2653
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,360
in new york city and i couldn't afford

2654
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,760
to go there a lot and he

2655
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,960
i don't know he might have come to our

2656
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,639
house maybe two or three times and i

2657
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:50,080
might have gone to new york two or three

2658
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:50,960
times

2659
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:54,239
over a period of lots of years and i

2660
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:57,679
think maybe at the most i had with him

2661
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:58,400
maybe

2662
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:01,520
six regression sessions

2663
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:04,080
maybe and i didn't have any with i don't

2664
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:06,560
recall having anybody with anybody else

2665
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:09,360
except dr clamar and that was the one

2666
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:10,800
time with her

2667
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:15,040
um most of and it's funny because

2668
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,400
now there were a couple sessions when i

2669
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:18,480
did remember a lot of stuff during the

2670
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:19,920
session

2671
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:24,239
remember anything and it wasn't until

2672
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:24,719
like

2673
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:27,520
a couple weeks later during conversation

2674
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,880
with my mother

2675
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:30,400
uh sitting around the kitchen table

2676
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:32,480
having a coffee and a cigarette

2677
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:35,760
and she'd say something and i'm like oh

2678
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:38,320
oh and then i would remember some little

2679
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:39,040
thing and i'm

2680
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,400
tell her about it she's like oh i

2681
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:42,080
remember that

2682
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,599
and i'm like i can't believe i forgot

2683
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:45,840
that so it was like these sessions i

2684
01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:46,239
would

2685
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,239
afterwards

2686
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:52,400
but it was always stuff that was

2687
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:53,520
confirmed

2688
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,679
by somebody else like oh like my mom

2689
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:57,040
would say oh yeah i remember that

2690
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:02,870
getting from bud or somewhere else it

2691
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:03,840
was

2692
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:07,599
know raking through these

2693
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:11,199
onion layers of memories and things and

2694
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:14,159
eventually the stuff would come back now

2695
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:15,520
in intruders

2696
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:19,280
uh there is

2697
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:23,760
uh your experiences on board a craft

2698
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:26,960
um now again was this

2699
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:29,599
a physical thing or was this brought out

2700
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:36,229
um

2701
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:40,390
like i remember

2702
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:43,840
uh like in november

2703
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:46,960
right before i found out i was pregnant

2704
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:49,520
the first time

2705
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,320
i had been out literally driving around

2706
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:54,000
with my friends

2707
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:56,960
or two of my friends and we were out way

2708
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:58,880
out on the far east side which back then

2709
01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:59,679
was nothing but

2710
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,080
farm house and farmland and we were

2711
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,000
spying on her boyfriend

2712
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,400
uh because we were going by driving by

2713
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,159
their house to see if he was there and

2714
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:09,679
his car was there like he said he was

2715
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:10,800
you know how teeny

2716
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:16,560
i was 17 i think at the time and um

2717
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:19,599
we i saw a light in the sky and

2718
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:23,040
i told my friend i said hey look there's

2719
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:23,679
a

2720
01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:41,119
weird in the sky

2721
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:43,119
and then the next memory i have is of

2722
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:45,520
the whole car being like

2723
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:47,760
covered in this black smoke and feeling

2724
01:52:51,589 --> 01:52:49,760
like i was being ripped out of the car

2725
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:51,599
by my legs

2726
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:55,679
and then i remember

2727
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:58,800
later on i think in regression i

2728
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:59,599
remembered

2729
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:02,800
uh being on a table somewhere i don't

2730
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,679
remember

2731
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,520
get it going into a craft but i was

2732
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:07,840
definitely not out in the field

2733
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:11,440
and i remember a very unpleasant

2734
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:14,560
physical exam and a lot of pain in my

2735
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:16,159
abdominal area

2736
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:20,080
and then the next thing i

2737
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:23,760
remember i am back in the car

2738
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:25,840
and my friend is actually standing

2739
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:28,159
outside the car the driver

2740
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:32,159
and i think i went back outside with her

2741
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:33,520
for a minute we were looking at

2742
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:34,639
something but i don't

2743
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:37,040
i don't recall what we were looking at

2744
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,800
and then we got back in the car and

2745
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,199
i remember her saying to me oh time sure

2746
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:42,960
flies when you're having fun like

2747
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:45,920
sarcastically then we realized holy crap

2748
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:47,679
we gotta hurry up and get home because

2749
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:50,639
we had to climb in the window so before

2750
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:52,080
her parents alarm went off so we

2751
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:53,440
couldn't get caught

2752
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:57,679
but um then years later

2753
01:54:01,350 --> 01:54:00,560
you know not that the the first part of

2754
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:01,360
that actually

2755
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,560
you know we were in a car we were

2756
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,520
driving it was three of us girls

2757
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,920
weird we saw the light but the other

2758
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,520
part of it i didn't remember until later

2759
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:10,960
under hypnosis

2760
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:13,440
and then when bud came back he actually

2761
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:14,800
went and interviewed

2762
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,639
the girl that was the driver and the

2763
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:18,480
oddest thing of all was when

2764
01:54:21,669 --> 01:54:19,760
he said i wanted to talk to you about

2765
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:21,679
the light that you and debbie and the uh

2766
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:24,639
rhonda saw that night when you were out

2767
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:26,159
spying on kenny and she goes oh you mean

2768
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:26,719
the one

2769
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:30,639
i was like

2770
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:33,599
what what one on the ground boom you

2771
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:34,080
know

2772
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:36,320
and then eventually bud after talking to

2773
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:37,760
her he's like you know would you

2774
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:40,400
if you want to do some regression to see

2775
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:40,880
you know

2776
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,719
if you remember anything else i can do

2777
01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:44,080
that she's like nope

2778
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:46,159
nope i'm good with it i've gone this

2779
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:47,920
long and not remembered i

2780
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:50,239
don't want to know he's like okay you

2781
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:51,840
know it's cool

2782
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:55,280
so so that was a that was a time where

2783
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,760
you know

2784
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,440
i remembered something under hypnosis

2785
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:59,040
but then there were other people in an

2786
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:59,520
actual

2787
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:01,199
physical thing that happened attached to

2788
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:04,880
it so now how far um

2789
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:08,000
east were you guys like uh

2790
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,239
and especially back then i know exactly

2791
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,840
the lay of the land it was just corn

2792
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:13,679
fields and soybeans

2793
01:55:20,310 --> 01:55:18,320
um was it like german church road east

2794
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:20,320
it was maybe even a little bit farther

2795
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:22,239
out than that um

2796
01:55:28,149 --> 01:55:25,920
i know there's there's post midhoffer

2797
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:28,159
gentlemen church right and then what's

2798
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:29,440
the next one out i think it might have

2799
01:55:32,070 --> 01:55:30,800
been like the next one out we were

2800
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:32,080
almost like to

2801
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,800
greenfield no we weren't quite to

2802
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:36,320
greenfield what's uh

2803
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:40,239
like uh county line road

2804
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:42,400
okay like sunny side road yeah out of

2805
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:43,679
that area in there

2806
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:46,719
southeast way park yeah it was except

2807
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:48,800
this was north this was more north

2808
01:55:52,149 --> 01:55:51,040
so right right but that's that's where

2809
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:52,159
we were out driving around because we

2810
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:53,840
used to go roller skating out on penalty

2811
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:54,639
pike

2812
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:57,920
right oh yes yes yes yes yes yes

2813
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:01,040
yes yes yes okay but anyway so

2814
01:56:04,149 --> 01:56:03,760
but that part of indianapolis which now

2815
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:04,159
is

2816
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:07,840
back then

2817
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:10,880
pretty remote pretty remote and

2818
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:14,480
anything could go on out there uh very

2819
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:15,199
interesting

2820
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:18,239
and um uh you mentioned

2821
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:21,040
uh the the other girls in the car bud is

2822
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:21,520
very

2823
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:24,960
thorough right and that's

2824
01:56:28,950 --> 01:56:27,040
he's trying to eliminate everything and

2825
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:28,960
he was able to go

2826
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,159
and and interview them uh

2827
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:34,080
well one of them we couldn't we we

2828
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:36,000
couldn't find the third one the one that

2829
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:38,400
freaked out that was literally laying on

2830
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:40,560
the floorboard in the back seat

2831
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:42,480
we never did get a hold of her i don't

2832
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:44,000
believe but we did

2833
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:46,159
the girl that was the driver and i

2834
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:47,040
hadn't talked to her

2835
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:48,800
years i don't even know my sister

2836
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:50,800
actually helped me find her and you were

2837
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:53,599
this is when you were 17. yeah this is

2838
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:55,119
right before

2839
01:56:59,510 --> 01:56:56,639
right not pregnant the first time

2840
01:57:02,790 --> 01:56:59,520
exactly so this is even before

2841
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:02,800
the the two be the black box with your

2842
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:03,920
husband

2843
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:07,280
yeah so this is this is truly uh a life

2844
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:10,880
of of contact now a lifetime of

2845
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:12,960
weirdness and contact with god knows

2846
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:14,000
what from

2847
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:17,679
who knows where um after

2848
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:20,239
uh we're going to head towards a break

2849
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:21,280
after

2850
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:25,440
1983 june of 1983 the event in the yard

2851
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:28,719
was there uh more direct

2852
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:32,719
contact after june of 1983

2853
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,360
before you reached out to bud um

2854
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:39,360
it was after we had reached out to bud

2855
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:42,239
it was in april of 1984 and again

2856
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:46,400
and it was my self and my mother again

2857
01:57:50,709 --> 01:57:50,159
um we saw this massive triangular shaped

2858
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:50,719
craft

2859
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:53,920
fly low and slow over the house

2860
01:57:58,390 --> 01:57:56,480
and when it got right above us as we

2861
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:58,400
stood on the porch and watched it it lit

2862
01:58:01,669 --> 01:58:00,159
up like a christmas tree underneath

2863
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:01,679
and he's all white except for the little

2864
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:03,520
tiny red light in the at the front of it

2865
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:04,239
but

2866
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:06,000
big bars of light that looked like

2867
01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:07,360
fluorescent lights and little

2868
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:09,119
dots of light everywhere and you could

2869
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:11,199
almost feel it

2870
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:14,000
when it lit up like a you know almost

2871
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:16,239
like a sensation

2872
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:18,800
you couldn't it barely made any noise at

2873
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:19,599
all it was like

2874
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:22,960
practically silent but there was a low

2875
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:24,960
very low frequency hum that was

2876
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:26,239
something that you could almost

2877
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:30,080
feel in your chest more than here

2878
01:58:37,589 --> 01:58:34,560
but but it to be so huge and so

2879
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:37,599
close it was pretty silent and it

2880
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:40,639
glided and i couldn't believe

2881
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:42,080
you know how many people live in

2882
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:44,159
indianapolis and how close we were to

2883
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:45,280
downtown

2884
01:58:51,109 --> 01:58:49,040
i couldn't believe it when nobody else

2885
01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:51,119
i i thought i would see it all over the

2886
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:52,320
news and

2887
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:54,800
hear it on the radio and the newspaper

2888
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:56,000
and the whole bit

2889
01:59:01,270 --> 01:58:59,360
nothing fascinating let's take our break

2890
01:59:03,109 --> 01:59:01,280
right here this is fade to black i am

2891
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,119
your host jimmy church

2892
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:06,239
debbie cobble debbie i told you about

2893
01:59:10,229 --> 01:59:08,400
our little thing at the electric company

2894
01:59:12,870 --> 01:59:10,239
at german church road

2895
01:59:13,270 --> 01:59:12,880
out where you had your little thing and

2896
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:13,280
uh

2897
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:16,320
the crazy thing that was 1983. that was

2898
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:18,320
1983. we'll be right back after this

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network

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welcome back fade to black i am your

3001
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:03,599
host jimmy church our guest tonight

3002
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:05,199
debbie cobble debbie what a great

3003
02:04:10,709 --> 02:04:07,040
conversation tonight

3004
02:04:14,709 --> 02:04:10,719
and uh do you

3005
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:14,719
feel i mean because i'm watching you the

3006
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:17,760
the audience i can't see you is this

3007
02:04:21,109 --> 02:04:20,400
is this emotional to go back and and

3008
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:21,119
relive

3009
02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:25,360
these experiences yeah i mean my face

3010
02:04:31,109 --> 02:04:29,119
i'm i was in here until my face felt hot

3011
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,119
you know i'm watching i'm thinking jimmy

3012
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:33,199
man you need to back off a little bit

3013
02:04:39,629 --> 02:04:36,560
but uh i i

3014
02:04:41,430 --> 02:04:39,639
it it is just it's it's so uh

3015
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:41,440
extraordinary you know it's

3016
02:04:44,550 --> 02:04:44,159
way beyond ordinary right this is yeah i

3017
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:44,560
know

3018
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:47,840
yeah this is extraordinary and um

3019
02:04:53,910 --> 02:04:50,880
the the triangle craft um i want

3020
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:53,920
everybody to kind of visualize this

3021
02:05:01,510 --> 02:04:57,199
indianapolis um is surrounded

3022
02:05:02,709 --> 02:05:01,520
by uh the 465 freeway indianapolis sits

3023
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:02,719
in the middle of it

3024
02:05:06,149 --> 02:05:04,960
and then you know they kind of call it

3025
02:05:09,350 --> 02:05:06,159
you know like outside

3026
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:09,360
the ring outside the 405 465.

3027
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:13,199
but back in the day most of indianapolis

3028
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:13,599
was

3029
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:16,639
inside of this uh ring

3030
02:05:20,069 --> 02:05:18,880
of the 465 freeway that goes all the way

3031
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:20,079
around the city

3032
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:23,280
but when you are inside of the 465

3033
02:05:27,189 --> 02:05:26,400
the population it gets denser and denser

3034
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:27,199
and denser

3035
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:30,719
this area that she's talking about is

3036
02:05:34,069 --> 02:05:32,960
not quite in downtown but it's about

3037
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:34,079
halfway

3038
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:37,119
but it is completely populated

3039
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:39,679
and and i lived right there it it you

3040
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:42,320
are in the city of indianapolis

3041
02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:45,840
so when when deb says

3042
02:05:49,589 --> 02:05:47,679
this this black triangle came over the

3043
02:05:51,750 --> 02:05:49,599
house and my mom and i saw it

3044
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:51,760
why wasn't this all over the news that's

3045
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:52,960
because this part of

3046
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:56,159
indianapolis is the city

3047
02:06:00,069 --> 02:05:58,880
this is a populated part and i'm totally

3048
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:00,079
with you on that i

3049
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:03,520
i can't believe it wasn't on uh not only

3050
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:05,679
the news but wibc

3051
02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:08,719
right right yeah well you know

3052
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:12,639
but bud had already given us um

3053
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:14,719
some information about kufos the center

3054
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:16,639
for ufo studies up in chicago

3055
02:06:20,550 --> 02:06:18,880
right and mufon which mufon didn't want

3056
02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:20,560
having to do with us really because they

3057
02:06:26,069 --> 02:06:22,320
weren't touching abduction

3058
02:06:29,430 --> 02:06:26,079
or contact at all at that point in their

3059
02:06:32,709 --> 02:06:29,440
uh whatever they were they were all only

3060
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:32,719
nuts and bolts i just saw light you know

3061
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:34,320
so anyway i had this phone number for

3062
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:36,079
the center for ufo studies so i called

3063
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:37,920
their ufo reporting hotline

3064
02:06:44,310 --> 02:06:41,040
that night and it was late and dr

3065
02:06:48,229 --> 02:06:44,320
j alan heineck answered the phone

3066
02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:48,239
yeah that's the doctor jaylen heineck

3067
02:06:50,709 --> 02:06:50,320
and i told him who i was i told him how

3068
02:06:54,149 --> 02:06:50,719
i got

3069
02:06:56,149 --> 02:06:54,159
number

3070
02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:56,159
and i told him what had just happened

3071
02:07:01,030 --> 02:06:57,760
and we were of course

3072
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:01,040
jacked up over it mom and i and

3073
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:04,719
um because see at one point my mom

3074
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:06,320
she stand on the porch and she's like

3075
02:07:08,950 --> 02:07:07,840
mesmerized and she's going oh my god

3076
02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:08,960
that's the most beautiful thing i've

3077
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:10,639
ever seen and i'm looking at her like

3078
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:12,800
really lady are you kidding me and i'm

3079
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:13,840
thinking to myself

3080
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:17,040
oh hell no not again and i run

3081
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:19,360
through the house as this thing passes

3082
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:20,320
over it

3083
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:22,960
and out the back door to see it pass

3084
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:24,320
over the house

3085
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:26,719
and i'm thinking holy where's this

3086
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:27,760
thing going

3087
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:31,599
i see it go out back near right over 465

3088
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:32,000
because

3089
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:35,520
we were very close to it at that at 465

3090
02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:38,880
shadeland avenue interchange area

3091
02:07:44,069 --> 02:07:41,679
and then when you would think it was so

3092
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:44,079
huge okay it was

3093
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:47,119
four times the size of the big jet

3094
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:49,679
and it you would expect it to do a bank

3095
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:51,199
if it's going to turn but no this dude

3096
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:51,840
just goes

3097
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:55,199
whoop and twists on its axis and just

3098
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:57,040
starts coming back in the same direction

3099
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:57,520
only

3100
02:08:01,270 --> 02:08:00,320
a little bit farther uh north of the

3101
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:01,280
house

3102
02:08:04,550 --> 02:08:03,199
and i'm watching this thing thinking

3103
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:04,560
holy crap

3104
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:07,119
but when it got when it finished passing

3105
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:08,159
over mom and me

3106
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,159
and then and the clearing above the

3107
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:12,480
house the lights went back off

3108
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:15,360
i had first spotted it coming home i

3109
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,199
don't know i'd do weird things

3110
02:08:21,669 --> 02:08:19,599
on weird time and i had been giving

3111
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,679
myself a manicure and i ran out of

3112
02:08:24,229 --> 02:08:23,199
i needed fingernail plush remover so i

3113
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:24,239
was going to like run down to the

3114
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:26,159
village pantry at this weird hour of

3115
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:27,119
night

3116
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:29,280
and get some and on the way home is when

3117
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,639
i spotted this light

3118
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:33,280
and i first thought it was a jet really

3119
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:34,880
low with the landing

3120
02:08:39,430 --> 02:08:37,760
lights on you know but then the lights

3121
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:39,440
turned into one and i'm like i don't

3122
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:41,440
think jets do that and it was headed

3123
02:08:45,669 --> 02:08:44,560
right for the house so i put the metal

3124
02:08:48,390 --> 02:08:45,679
to the pedal

3125
02:08:50,149 --> 02:08:48,400
and i hauled it to the front door and

3126
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:50,159
went tearing in yelling mom get out here

3127
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:52,079
get out here you got to see this

3128
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:54,880
so anyways i'm i called and dr heineck

3129
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:55,679
answered

3130
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:58,239
and we both gave him our told him what

3131
02:09:01,750 --> 02:08:58,880
we saw

3132
02:09:02,470 --> 02:09:01,760
and he asked us to draw pictures of what

3133
02:09:05,189 --> 02:09:02,480
we'd seen

3134
02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:05,199
individually which we sent to him and

3135
02:09:11,910 --> 02:09:08,079
then my mother spoke to him on the phone

3136
02:09:12,470 --> 02:09:11,920
uh one more time and he told my mom

3137
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:12,480
because

3138
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:15,280
both of us were just flabbergasted that

3139
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:16,239
nobody

3140
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:20,320
this thing was huge and it was

3141
02:09:24,470 --> 02:09:23,599
very low it was just above the treetop

3142
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:24,480
levels

3143
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:27,119
and 465 in shadeland everybody this is

3144
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:28,719
one of the busiest parts

3145
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:31,520
of uh the east side i mean there's

3146
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:33,599
people out there 24 hours a day

3147
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:36,639
uh the roads the freeway um

3148
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:39,199
yeah i'm i'm so surprised what so what

3149
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:39,920
did uh

3150
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:42,560
your mom spoke to jay allen heineck and

3151
02:09:46,790 --> 02:09:44,639
he told her

3152
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:46,800
that he and all the years and he's been

3153
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:48,239
doing his research

3154
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:50,400
and people he's talked to he's be he had

3155
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:51,679
was beginning to think

3156
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:54,239
that not everyone was able to see these

3157
02:09:59,189 --> 02:09:56,159
things

3158
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:59,199
because stuff like this made absolutely

3159
02:10:02,629 --> 02:10:01,199
no sense right the only thing that did

3160
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:02,639
make sense was if

3161
02:10:07,030 --> 02:10:04,560
for some reason or another my mother and

3162
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:07,040
i were wired a little differently and we

3163
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:07,840
could see

3164
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:10,320
something that other people couldn't see

3165
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:10,880
because

3166
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:12,880
this thing was absolutely huge and there

3167
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:14,000
is absolutely no

3168
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:17,040
rational reasonable explanation for why

3169
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:17,840
no one else

3170
02:10:23,109 --> 02:10:21,040
reported this thing now you went through

3171
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:23,119
um i'm looking at the clock can i keep

3172
02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:24,480
you for overtime

3173
02:10:28,069 --> 02:10:27,199
can we keep this thing going sure yeah

3174
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:28,079
i'm

3175
02:10:34,390 --> 02:10:32,159
if you don't mind me sucking on

3176
02:10:37,669 --> 02:10:34,400
coke zero cherry and looking crazy

3177
02:10:44,069 --> 02:10:41,430
so your mom is like the ufo mom now

3178
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:44,079
was she was she okay with with with what

3179
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:45,920
was going on

3180
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:49,040
yeah my whole family was i mean my mom

3181
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:50,560
and dad have passed away now

3182
02:10:54,229 --> 02:10:53,440
but um they've always been supportive

3183
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:54,239
and

3184
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:57,440
anytime us kids reported weird stuff

3185
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:00,639
they were like yeah we know you know

3186
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:04,320
um they had their share of paranormal

3187
02:11:08,470 --> 02:11:06,960
experiences in the house you know it's

3188
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:08,480
funny too because

3189
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:10,719
when mom and dad when mom mom passed

3190
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:12,480
away first and then dad passed away like

3191
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:13,599
seven years later

3192
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:15,840
but before he passed away he had to go

3193
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:17,199
somewhere else and live

3194
02:11:21,350 --> 02:11:19,760
um and so we had to sell the house and

3195
02:11:23,669 --> 02:11:21,360
the person that bought the house

3196
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:23,679
actually turns out was friends with

3197
02:11:28,069 --> 02:11:25,280
someone i went to high school with

3198
02:11:29,990 --> 02:11:28,079
and i got this message one day hey my

3199
02:11:31,589 --> 02:11:30,000
friend bought your mom and dad's house

3200
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:31,599
you know that one where all that weird

3201
02:11:37,109 --> 02:11:33,760
stuff happened i'm like yeah

3202
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:37,119
and i asked her has anything strange

3203
02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:38,880
happened have you ever have you seen

3204
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:40,880
anything weird since you moved in

3205
02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:43,599
and at that time it's been several years

3206
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:44,480
but she said

3207
02:11:49,109 --> 02:11:47,599
nothing nothing strange has ever

3208
02:11:51,830 --> 02:11:49,119
happened they don't see anything

3209
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:51,840
there's i mean we had a that first year

3210
02:11:55,109 --> 02:11:53,280
after june 3083

3211
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:55,119
the paranormal activity we had there

3212
02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:56,719
before was nothing

3213
02:12:01,669 --> 02:12:00,000
it blew up after june 3083 and it

3214
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:01,679
followed us

3215
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:04,560
us kids we're not like when i moved out

3216
02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:05,040
when i

3217
02:12:11,589 --> 02:12:08,560
own place with my kids

3218
02:12:13,589 --> 02:12:11,599
it started in my apartment you know

3219
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:13,599
and it was happening in my sister's

3220
02:12:18,229 --> 02:12:15,440
house my older sister when

3221
02:12:19,750 --> 02:12:18,239
she at her home so i don't think it was

3222
02:12:24,149 --> 02:12:19,760
the house i think it was

3223
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:24,159
us now you went through

3224
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:28,560
uh and continue uh uh a series of

3225
02:12:36,310 --> 02:12:32,400
of medical issues um uh

3226
02:12:38,629 --> 02:12:36,320
i mean unbelievably

3227
02:12:39,510 --> 02:12:38,639
crazy the medical stuff that you went

3228
02:12:41,430 --> 02:12:39,520
through

3229
02:12:42,629 --> 02:12:41,440
um the direct question i want to talk

3230
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:42,639
about uh

3231
02:12:52,310 --> 02:12:46,239
uh this but do you

3232
02:12:56,709 --> 02:12:55,189
well it's tempting and i'll tell you in

3233
02:12:59,350 --> 02:12:56,719
someone in my position

3234
02:13:01,030 --> 02:12:59,360
it's very easy to just blame everything

3235
02:13:03,830 --> 02:13:01,040
weird in my life

3236
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:03,840
and with me on it and that's something

3237
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:05,599
i've really struggled with my whole life

3238
02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:06,880
to resist because

3239
02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:10,000
i don't want to fall into something

3240
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:10,560
where

3241
02:13:14,069 --> 02:13:13,199
i just i blame everything i want to be

3242
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:14,079
able to remain

3243
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:16,480
skeptical to a point where i at least

3244
02:13:21,189 --> 02:13:17,840
will try to see if i can

3245
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:21,199
you know figure it out um as far as my

3246
02:13:24,709 --> 02:13:23,679
now as far as my eyes go i really feel

3247
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:24,719
strongly that

3248
02:13:30,310 --> 02:13:27,840
my eyes are were the result of what

3249
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:30,320
happened on june 30 83.

3250
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:31,920
as far as some of the other stuff that's

3251
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:33,760
happened to me i don't know

3252
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:35,520
now the dog that was out there with me

3253
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:37,040
that night

3254
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:38,560
who got out of the garage and was

3255
02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:40,320
apparently out there when all this was

3256
02:13:44,229 --> 02:13:42,880
going on somewhere

3257
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:44,239
you know but first we thought she had

3258
02:13:47,910 --> 02:13:46,560
the mange because the hair started

3259
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:47,920
falling off the back of her

3260
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:49,520
but then it started falling off places

3261
02:13:52,870 --> 02:13:51,040
where she couldn't rub

3262
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:52,880
and then she started getting big black

3263
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:54,239
sores on her back that

3264
02:13:57,990 --> 02:13:56,480
oozed and were gross and her teeth

3265
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:58,000
started falling out in her food

3266
02:14:02,069 --> 02:14:00,719
bowl her eyes looked all whited over

3267
02:14:04,470 --> 02:14:02,079
like cataracts i mean

3268
02:14:05,990 --> 02:14:04,480
you could see she was blind or not that

3269
02:14:09,189 --> 02:14:06,000
we couldn't see very well

3270
02:14:11,589 --> 02:14:09,199
radiation i don't know we

3271
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:11,599
took her to the vet and um actually we

3272
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:13,119
ended up putting her to sleep because

3273
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:15,040
the vet said she was suffering and

3274
02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:17,679
i mean they didn't do tests or autopsies

3275
02:14:19,990 --> 02:14:19,360
or anything like that on a dog you know

3276
02:14:21,510 --> 02:14:20,000
what i mean

3277
02:14:22,709 --> 02:14:21,520
i mean we loved her to death but she was

3278
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,719
suffering and she wasn't going to get

3279
02:14:25,669 --> 02:14:24,000
any better so

3280
02:14:27,189 --> 02:14:25,679
but in the back of my mind i always

3281
02:14:29,910 --> 02:14:27,199
thought oh my god

3282
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:29,920
she was out there that night and i don't

3283
02:14:33,350 --> 02:14:30,480
know if it

3284
02:14:33,830 --> 02:14:33,360
if whatever hit me hit her and i'm like

3285
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:33,840
what

3286
02:14:37,189 --> 02:14:35,920
is that going to be my fate someday you

3287
02:14:38,790 --> 02:14:37,199
know what i mean is something going to

3288
02:14:41,830 --> 02:14:38,800
happen like that

3289
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:41,840
so far my eyes

3290
02:14:45,510 --> 02:14:44,560
you know are jack we're jacked up and

3291
02:14:47,589 --> 02:14:45,520
they're still weird

3292
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:47,599
they water a lot if you see me doing

3293
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:50,159
this i'm not crying

3294
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:54,320
but um and then you know i've had uh

3295
02:14:57,350 --> 02:14:55,920
you know i've had the emergency

3296
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:57,360
c-sections and then i had to have

3297
02:15:01,750 --> 02:14:59,760
hysterectomy during the hysterectomy

3298
02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:01,760
uh after the hysterectomy i should say

3299
02:15:06,310 --> 02:15:02,880
the the surgeon

3300
02:15:08,870 --> 02:15:06,320
came out and his exact words were

3301
02:15:10,470 --> 02:15:08,880
oh my god you were trashed inside i mean

3302
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:10,480
when a surgeon tells you you're

3303
02:15:16,149 --> 02:15:13,760
trashed you are trashed that

3304
02:15:18,470 --> 02:15:16,159
my ovaries were the size of green olives

3305
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:18,480
and were wrapped in scar tissue and had

3306
02:15:21,510 --> 02:15:19,280
grown to

3307
02:15:23,270 --> 02:15:21,520
various other organs in my body and

3308
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:23,280
there was bowel and bladder

3309
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:25,119
involvement in all the scar tissue and

3310
02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:26,880
everything and this was

3311
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:30,880
in 92. so then fast forward now you know

3312
02:15:35,109 --> 02:15:34,000
i've got a neck full of titanium screws

3313
02:15:38,229 --> 02:15:35,119
and plates

3314
02:15:38,709 --> 02:15:38,239
and uh my joints and my lower back i've

3315
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:38,719
had

3316
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:40,480
like five surgeries on my hands and my

3317
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:43,360
feet for degenerative arthritis and

3318
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:45,360
um of course working in a factory for 15

3319
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:47,040
years probably didn't help that

3320
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:50,159
but um uh then i

3321
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:52,480
start having all these abdominal issues

3322
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:53,280
and as

3323
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:55,679
it turned out in january i had the first

3324
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:57,199
of two surgeries

3325
02:16:01,189 --> 02:15:59,679
one the first one it was an emergency

3326
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:01,199
and i had uh

3327
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:04,560
like uh the doctor when your surgeon

3328
02:16:08,390 --> 02:16:05,840
comes out and looks at you with

3329
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:08,400
saucer-shaped eyes

3330
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:10,000
like they can't believe that they're

3331
02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:11,440
looking at you

3332
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:13,679
like you're an alien or something it's

3333
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:15,280
kind of weird

3334
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:18,400
and he said uh i knew when you came in

3335
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:19,599
and told me that there was something

3336
02:16:22,149 --> 02:16:21,040
wrong with you and if i didn't find it

3337
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:22,159
you were gonna die

3338
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,280
you knew you were serious but he said

3339
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:27,760
i couldn't believe what i saw from my

3340
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:28,880
navel down

3341
02:16:33,429 --> 02:16:31,679
was one solid mass just like it was one

3342
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:33,439
massive organ of

3343
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:37,200
the uh scar tissue bands and adhesions

3344
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:39,359
i ended up having to go in twice and

3345
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:40,880
remove like 40

3346
02:16:44,830 --> 02:16:42,880
partial bowel blockages from all these

3347
02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:44,840
adhesions and everything had grown to

3348
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:46,160
itself

3349
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:49,040
and then keeping in mind i about six

3350
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:50,639
years or so ago i was diagnosed with

3351
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:52,960
something called fibromuscular dysplasia

3352
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:55,840
in my renal arteries and and what what

3353
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:57,760
what is that exactly

3354
02:17:03,589 --> 02:17:00,800
fibromuscular dysplasia or fmd as it's

3355
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:03,599
commonly referred to as kind of a rare

3356
02:17:08,230 --> 02:17:04,160
they think

3357
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:08,240
maybe genetic disorder where

3358
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:11,920
nerve cells grow inside

3359
02:17:16,309 --> 02:17:15,280
the vascular system and they create like

3360
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:16,319
spider webs

3361
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:18,240
inside the vascular system and they

3362
02:17:22,309 --> 02:17:20,080
attach to the walls

3363
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:22,319
and then they pull clothes and they

3364
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:23,359
create something

3365
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:27,679
they call a string of beads or pearls

3366
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:29,359
basically their aneurysms when mine was

3367
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:31,120
found i had seven aneurysms on my renal

3368
02:17:34,669 --> 02:17:32,880
artery and they opened them up

3369
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:34,679
with balloons all they did was do the

3370
02:17:38,070 --> 02:17:36,160
angioplasty

3371
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:38,080
into the renal artery inflate the

3372
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:39,760
balloons pop the strings and the

3373
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:41,439
arteries pop right back open

3374
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:43,120
but the bad part about it is it can come

3375
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:45,760
back and it can come back in your brain

3376
02:17:49,270 --> 02:17:47,519
in the chambers of your heart anything

3377
02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:49,280
connected to your

3378
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:52,399
vascular system right yeah and it's

3379
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:54,319
something that i was apparently born

3380
02:17:57,910 --> 02:17:55,359
with

3381
02:17:58,549 --> 02:17:57,920
and they study it at the cleveland

3382
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:58,559
clinic

3383
02:18:02,549 --> 02:18:00,800
and when doctor when the doctor talked

3384
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:02,559
to me about the

3385
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:05,439
massive strings of scar tissue adhesion

3386
02:18:10,309 --> 02:18:07,760
had overgrown and gone berserk inside of

3387
02:18:12,469 --> 02:18:10,319
my abdominal area

3388
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:12,479
my mind went to two places my mind went

3389
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:13,599
to the fmd

3390
02:18:17,589 --> 02:18:15,920
because it sounded like the giant sized

3391
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:17,599
version of the fmd

3392
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:21,760
in inside the arteries and it also

3393
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:23,760
made me think of that night on june 30th

3394
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:25,679
when i got hit in the abdomen you know

3395
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,080
in the

3396
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:28,800
in that i called the solar plexus there

3397
02:18:32,230 --> 02:18:29,200
uh

3398
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:32,240
with that massive light so i

3399
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:35,040
don't know i can't prove anything it's

3400
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:36,880
all

3401
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:39,920
my my opinion or gut feeling you know i

3402
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:40,880
have absolutely

3403
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:44,000
zero proof probably never will

3404
02:18:49,110 --> 02:18:47,200
but for me it's it's food for thought

3405
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:49,120
and it's something that will always be

3406
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:50,240
in the back of my mind

3407
02:18:53,509 --> 02:18:53,040
you look amazing by the way thank you i

3408
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:53,519
mean

3409
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:56,639
considering so we're sitting at at

3410
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:59,040
dinner and we're going down the list

3411
02:19:01,509 --> 02:19:00,000
right

3412
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:01,519
and i'm looking i'm sitting we're

3413
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:03,200
sitting next to each other and i'm like

3414
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:05,599
you you're just amazing

3415
02:19:11,669 --> 02:19:09,120
um uh you look great and you look happy

3416
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:11,679
uh what is it better now than i have

3417
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:12,559
felt

3418
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:15,920
i i'm 62. and i feel younger

3419
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:18,840
and healthier right now than i did at

3420
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:20,160
25.

3421
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:22,000
i feel in some ways like i'm the

3422
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:23,599
benjamin button of

3423
02:19:27,349 --> 02:19:25,679
the i mean i feel like i'm getting

3424
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:27,359
younger i know i have a lot of junk

3425
02:19:30,629 --> 02:19:29,120
wrong with me but i don't feel any of it

3426
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:30,639
i feel

3427
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:34,880
thanks for noticing

3428
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:37,359
well and you've got a great smile too as

3429
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:38,160
well

3430
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:41,280
an amazing spot um okay so let's let's

3431
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:42,800
go back a little bit i'm looking at the

3432
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:43,200
clock

3433
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:44,800
i know we're gonna we're gonna hit a

3434
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:46,719
break and we're gonna go into overtime

3435
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:48,640
i want to go back okay so the the black

3436
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:50,720
triangle that's 1984

3437
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:53,760
uh you reach out to j allen heineck you

3438
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:56,240
drew pictures you sent those to him

3439
02:20:00,830 --> 02:19:59,120
that was another physical contact

3440
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:00,840
experience

3441
02:20:07,670 --> 02:20:04,960
um was there anything after that deb

3442
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:07,680
um well in night remember i told you in

3443
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:10,399
1992 i had the hysterectomy well

3444
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:12,080
it was either right before or right

3445
02:20:16,630 --> 02:20:13,840
after the hysterectomy

3446
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:16,640
um and we were in the farmhouse i was

3447
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:18,720
married to my late husband

3448
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:21,200
and i had the uh my houseguest jean and

3449
02:20:25,110 --> 02:20:22,800
her daughter were there

3450
02:20:26,870 --> 02:20:25,120
and uh i was i remember sitting on the

3451
02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:26,880
couch and i was looking out the

3452
02:20:30,150 --> 02:20:28,640
open front door it was night and i saw

3453
02:20:31,110 --> 02:20:30,160
this weird light on the sky and i'm like

3454
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:31,120
what the hell

3455
02:20:35,349 --> 02:20:33,760
and i'm like hey you guys look at that

3456
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:35,359
so everybody gets up and look and we go

3457
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:36,000
outside

3458
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:39,680
and um it may have been right after i

3459
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:41,359
had my hysterectomy because i think i

3460
02:20:45,910 --> 02:20:43,840
had on like a housecoat or something but

3461
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:45,920
so we went outside and um

3462
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:47,680
we're watching this weird light my lead

3463
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:49,040
husband goes in and he gets his

3464
02:20:51,990 --> 02:20:49,920
camcorder

3465
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:52,000
and when he comes back outside because

3466
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,840
our we notice that we hear a beeping

3467
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:54,640
sound

3468
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,399
coming from the barn and our cows are

3469
02:21:01,750 --> 02:20:58,720
over there and we can hear them moving

3470
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:01,760
and um what part of town is this

3471
02:21:06,710 --> 02:21:04,319
now this was actually up here where i

3472
02:21:10,469 --> 02:21:06,720
live now it was not in indy

3473
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:10,479
it was up north near kokomo near kokomo

3474
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:13,520
so we were um

3475
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:16,720
so anyway we were here here in the uh

3476
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:19,680
this beeping sound and he's recording

3477
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:21,280
and i'm standing at the end of the

3478
02:21:25,510 --> 02:21:23,120
driveway with gene and her

3479
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,520
daughter and i see something walk

3480
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:27,439
towards us and i thought it was a deer

3481
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:28,560
at first

3482
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:31,520
it looked like i was looking at it from

3483
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:32,479
straight on

3484
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:34,720
straight straight ahead and you know i

3485
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:36,080
could see like the head and then the

3486
02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:37,840
skinny legs and skinny body but i

3487
02:21:41,510 --> 02:21:38,399
thought

3488
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:41,520
it's moving kind of weird for a deer and

3489
02:21:46,790 --> 02:21:43,359
it's coming right at us

3490
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:46,800
and in the recording you can hear jean's

3491
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:48,160
daughter going mama

3492
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:49,760
she says something like mama what's that

3493
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:51,680
coming towards us in the street

3494
02:21:58,950 --> 02:21:54,800
and jean's like oh no and then

3495
02:22:02,309 --> 02:21:58,960
one of us screams and then the

3496
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:02,319
recording cuts away

3497
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:04,240
and then you hear my late husband

3498
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,000
talking on the phone

3499
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:08,399
from he's got the phone in the hat from

3500
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:10,080
in the house a cordless phone out he's

3501
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:11,359
trying to talk to some ham radio

3502
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:12,000
operator

3503
02:22:15,030 --> 02:22:13,439
because he thinks he's seeing what he

3504
02:22:17,110 --> 02:22:15,040
thinks are northern lights

3505
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:17,120
to the north of us and he's trying to

3506
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:20,160
get somebody to confirm what he's seeing

3507
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:23,920
and like 18 the the the recording the

3508
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:24,960
actual tape

3509
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:28,000
jumped 18 minutes

3510
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:33,600
so here's the time and then boom 18

3511
02:22:38,870 --> 02:22:36,560
minutes later it continues on there's no

3512
02:22:40,309 --> 02:22:38,880
and and this was in 92 this was in

3513
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:40,319
digital stuff this was an actual

3514
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:42,319
physical tape

3515
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:46,880
and um i think that was the last time

3516
02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:50,080
that anything we had seen

3517
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:53,200
anything weird happen and i don't recall

3518
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:56,880
i still to this day gene nor i uh

3519
02:23:03,429 --> 02:23:00,960
recall anything else other than

3520
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:03,439
seeing this thing walk toward us and

3521
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:05,040
then the next thing

3522
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:07,200
you know i don't remember where it went

3523
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:09,120
what happened i don't remember anything

3524
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,240
still to this day neither does she

3525
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:14,479
so the 18 minute missing time was

3526
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:16,960
documented

3527
02:23:24,309 --> 02:23:20,160
on this videotape so and so you don't

3528
02:23:26,630 --> 02:23:24,319
the 18 minutes of of jump on the tape

3529
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:26,640
is 18 minutes that you don't remember

3530
02:23:37,270 --> 02:23:28,319
either

3531
02:23:39,030 --> 02:23:37,280
i haven't asked her in years maybe i

3532
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:39,040
could she's on my facebook maybe i'll

3533
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:40,399
ask her but

3534
02:23:45,110 --> 02:23:42,960
you know and that was the last time that

3535
02:23:48,230 --> 02:23:45,120
i recall having any real

3536
02:23:51,830 --> 02:23:48,240
major anything happen and again

3537
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:51,840
it was me and other people you know

3538
02:23:58,150 --> 02:23:55,280
i've said many times before if always

3539
02:23:58,830 --> 02:23:58,160
my whole life it was only just me i

3540
02:24:02,389 --> 02:23:58,840
would

3541
02:24:05,270 --> 02:24:02,399
definitely be thinking it's you

3542
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:05,280
yeah yeah i'm lost my mind but it's

3543
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:05,920
almost

3544
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:08,399
always with somebody else at least one

3545
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:11,439
other person sometimes more

3546
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:14,720
so it makes it real hard to just

3547
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:17,840
write write it off as me being nuts

3548
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:20,640
was the uh what's the uh i meant to ask

3549
02:24:24,710 --> 02:24:22,080
you this earl earlier

3550
02:24:26,630 --> 02:24:24,720
uh was the soil tested in the yard did

3551
02:24:28,389 --> 02:24:26,640
bud do anything with that what did bud

3552
02:24:31,510 --> 02:24:28,399
have to say about the yard

3553
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:31,520
yeah um you know you have to remember it

3554
02:24:35,750 --> 02:24:31,840
was

3555
02:24:37,750 --> 02:24:35,760
couple months before he actually got out

3556
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:37,760
there and got his samples

3557
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:40,720
but he i and i can't remember the exact

3558
02:24:43,429 --> 02:24:42,479
numbers i always say i should go look in

3559
02:24:46,630 --> 02:24:43,439
the book

3560
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:46,640
it had to be baked in the oven at 800

3561
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:48,800
degrees for 12 hours to get

3562
02:24:52,870 --> 02:24:51,760
as dehydrated as it was there wasn't any

3563
02:24:56,630 --> 02:24:52,880
uh

3564
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:56,640
like a micro micro

3565
02:25:00,630 --> 02:24:59,200
biological life in it you know any germs

3566
02:25:01,750 --> 02:25:00,640
or anything like that and it was like

3567
02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:01,760
sterile

3568
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:05,120
and no bugs or anything um

3569
02:25:09,110 --> 02:25:07,680
and it repelled water i've said i've

3570
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:09,120
told many times you know i

3571
02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:10,960
took some chunks of it and put it in

3572
02:25:13,429 --> 02:25:12,640
glass and left it sit on the counter all

3573
02:25:15,190 --> 02:25:13,439
night long

3574
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:15,200
and you would think you'd come home back

3575
02:25:17,510 --> 02:25:16,640
the next morning and you'd have a little

3576
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:17,520
pile of mud

3577
02:25:20,710 --> 02:25:19,280
but nope you just got a little chunk of

3578
02:25:22,710 --> 02:25:20,720
dirt still in there

3579
02:25:24,230 --> 02:25:22,720
and snow melted off of that thing for

3580
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:24,240
the first year

3581
02:25:30,389 --> 02:25:28,000
um whenever uh the uh

3582
02:25:32,309 --> 02:25:30,399
you know in the fall came and the snow

3583
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:32,319
would come and we'd get an inch or two

3584
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:34,319
uh and it would cover up all the grass

3585
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,760
and you wouldn't be able to see

3586
02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:38,000
where the mark was but then 30 minutes

3587
02:25:43,270 --> 02:25:40,160
later you'd look out and there it was

3588
02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:43,280
the snow literally would just roll any

3589
02:25:47,349 --> 02:25:44,880
moisture would roll off

3590
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:47,359
not only the grass not only the dirt but

3591
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:48,080
the grass

3592
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:51,120
also and there was it was like a crop

3593
02:25:55,110 --> 02:25:53,040
circle in the snow

3594
02:25:57,030 --> 02:25:55,120
for that for that first year every time

3595
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:57,040
it snowed snow melted off of it yeah

3596
02:26:04,230 --> 02:25:57,359
there

3597
02:26:06,550 --> 02:26:04,240
it's not like that no it doesn't exist

3598
02:26:08,309 --> 02:26:06,560
it doesn't exist uh this is so

3599
02:26:12,710 --> 02:26:08,319
fascinating to me

3600
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:12,720
um and jimmy i have still samples

3601
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:15,200
we have when we sold the house you know

3602
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:17,040
uh well yeah

3603
02:26:20,389 --> 02:26:19,120
i got these before the mark actually

3604
02:26:22,630 --> 02:26:20,399
completely disappeared

3605
02:26:24,550 --> 02:26:22,640
so they're really old and they've got

3606
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:24,560
maybe six or seven ziploc baggies with

3607
02:26:29,030 --> 02:26:26,160
little chunks of dirt in them i still

3608
02:26:31,990 --> 02:26:29,040
have them they even survived the tornado

3609
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:32,000
where i lost almost everything so yeah

3610
02:26:37,349 --> 02:26:32,319
we

3611
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:39,670
uh you you've gone through so much in

3612
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:41,040
your life and i

3613
02:26:44,950 --> 02:26:43,680
remember uh uh i don't want to get into

3614
02:26:46,389 --> 02:26:44,960
these details of the private

3615
02:26:49,910 --> 02:26:46,399
conversation

3616
02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:49,920
but uh i i spun around probably a half a

3617
02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:50,880
dozen times

3618
02:26:57,670 --> 02:26:54,640
uh looking at you how are you even here

3619
02:27:00,070 --> 02:26:57,680
how are you saying yeah it's

3620
02:27:01,670 --> 02:27:00,080
it's it's it's absolutely incredible oh

3621
02:27:02,630 --> 02:27:01,680
i wanted to ask you before we get to the

3622
02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:02,640
break

3623
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:05,760
the black box

3624
02:27:11,429 --> 02:27:09,120
was that ever resolved

3625
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:11,439
the black box was it ever resolved did

3626
02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:12,399
you ever find

3627
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:16,160
out what it was for no

3628
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:18,080
unless it had something to do with my

3629
02:27:22,070 --> 02:27:19,760
near-death experience

3630
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:22,080
you know very shortly after that where i

3631
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:23,200
found myself

3632
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:26,319
actually in a black box right no

3633
02:27:30,070 --> 02:27:29,680
i don't because uh the the et the being

3634
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:30,080
said

3635
02:27:34,630 --> 02:27:32,800
you would find out one day yeah they

3636
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:34,640
said that when i saw it again i'd know

3637
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:35,600
what it was

3638
02:27:39,110 --> 02:27:37,840
and i i mean i'd know what to do well

3639
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:39,120
you know this is

3640
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:42,800
it's not over no i'm still here

3641
02:27:47,750 --> 02:27:45,920
it's not over we still have to we still

3642
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:47,760
have to find that part out

3643
02:27:53,270 --> 02:27:50,880
but um it was interesting for me

3644
02:27:54,309 --> 02:27:53,280
uh to see your reaction when whitley

3645
02:27:57,110 --> 02:27:54,319
said

3646
02:27:59,750 --> 02:27:57,120
you know maybe your soul was captured in

3647
02:28:02,790 --> 02:27:59,760
that uh for that moment

3648
02:28:05,270 --> 02:28:02,800
yeah and i was like uh you know what

3649
02:28:07,190 --> 02:28:05,280
that makes sense

3650
02:28:09,190 --> 02:28:07,200
the craziest thing you could possibly

3651
02:28:12,389 --> 02:28:09,200
think of and it literally made

3652
02:28:13,830 --> 02:28:12,399
perfect sense to me so yeah absolutely

3653
02:28:15,349 --> 02:28:13,840
well let's take our break here and we'll

3654
02:28:17,349 --> 02:28:15,359
come back to some overtime i want to

3655
02:28:19,110 --> 02:28:17,359
talk about uh some paranormal stuff i

3656
02:28:21,590 --> 02:28:19,120
want to talk about evps

3657
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:21,600
i want to talk about your your life now

3658
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:23,200
and where you are we'll do

3659
02:28:27,510 --> 02:28:26,160
all of that next this is fade to black i

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3739
02:32:37,510 --> 02:32:35,429
welcome back to fade to black i'm meryl

3740
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:37,520
streep church over time with debbie

3741
02:32:41,510 --> 02:32:38,000
cobble

3742
02:32:43,830 --> 02:32:41,520
you knew you just knew we were going

3743
02:32:47,110 --> 02:32:43,840
into overtime there was no way

3744
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:47,120
no way debbie no no no no you know i can

3745
02:32:51,429 --> 02:32:48,240
come back too

3746
02:32:54,630 --> 02:32:51,439
yeah we're gonna do a part two

3747
02:32:57,429 --> 02:32:54,640
and part three now um uh

3748
02:32:58,150 --> 02:32:57,439
i want to talk uh a little bit about

3749
02:33:01,990 --> 02:32:58,160
your sister

3750
02:33:05,270 --> 02:33:02,000
kathy um you guys uh co-authored

3751
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:05,280
uh the next book uh together

3752
02:33:09,030 --> 02:33:08,319
um and why did you choose to do that and

3753
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:09,040
what were

3754
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:14,960
it actually was the first book no no i

3755
02:33:17,910 --> 02:33:15,760
mean after

3756
02:33:19,349 --> 02:33:17,920
after intrusive intruders yes that was

3757
02:33:21,990 --> 02:33:19,359
the first one after and it's one

3758
02:33:23,510 --> 02:33:22,000
her and i wrote actually i had written

3759
02:33:24,710 --> 02:33:23,520
that whole book and it was already

3760
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:24,720
finished

3761
02:33:30,070 --> 02:33:28,080
and um then she had

3762
02:33:31,830 --> 02:33:30,080
her and mom came to me and said hey

3763
02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:31,840
kathy wants to put some stuff in your

3764
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:33,280
book and i'm like well tell kathy to

3765
02:33:36,550 --> 02:33:34,640
write her own book because this one's

3766
02:33:39,030 --> 02:33:36,560
done

3767
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:39,040
and and i kind of got guilted because

3768
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:40,479
you know i remember i told you i threw

3769
02:33:45,190 --> 02:33:42,319
her under the bus without her permission

3770
02:33:46,790 --> 02:33:45,200
right right so i'm like well all right

3771
02:33:48,230 --> 02:33:46,800
so i took her stuff and i was trying to

3772
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:48,240
figure out how to weave

3773
02:33:52,790 --> 02:33:50,960
you know her her experiences are quite

3774
02:33:53,110 --> 02:33:52,800
different than mine in some ways and she

3775
02:33:55,750 --> 02:33:53,120
had

3776
02:33:56,309 --> 02:33:55,760
encounters with a different kind of uh

3777
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:56,319
of a

3778
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:00,640
encounters with like a mantis type per

3779
02:34:05,990 --> 02:34:04,560
and i did not and so um

3780
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:06,000
so i was trying to figure out a way to

3781
02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:08,479
weave her

3782
02:34:13,270 --> 02:34:11,760
contributions in with mine and that's

3783
02:34:14,230 --> 02:34:13,280
how i ended up with the alternating

3784
02:34:16,070 --> 02:34:14,240
chapter

3785
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:16,080
thing that was that first one and it

3786
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:17,840
worked you know it worked

3787
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:21,359
but then when um you know i finally

3788
02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:24,399
uh people were

3789
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:26,160
on me for years and years oh you need to

3790
02:34:28,870 --> 02:34:28,319
revise that and update it and you know

3791
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:28,880
because

3792
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:30,720
my life it just continued to be weird

3793
02:34:37,270 --> 02:34:34,080
and crazy from that point on anyway

3794
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:37,280
when my sister um you know she

3795
02:34:40,950 --> 02:34:39,200
had a lot of health issues and now she

3796
02:34:44,230 --> 02:34:40,960
is um

3797
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:44,240
really incapacitated and unable to

3798
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:47,520
even if she's if she's had

3799
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:50,160
anything new happen she would not be

3800
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:51,120
able to tell us

3801
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:53,840
now she's she's younger than you no

3802
02:34:58,469 --> 02:34:55,120
she's 11 years older

3803
02:35:00,469 --> 02:34:58,479
have uh

3804
02:35:02,469 --> 02:35:00,479
i do have a younger sister that i've

3805
02:35:05,670 --> 02:35:02,479
actually that i went to school with

3806
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:05,680
yeah that you yeah sherry yes and then

3807
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:08,960
uh my i have a brother bob they're both

3808
02:35:12,230 --> 02:35:11,120
they're both younger than me but not by

3809
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:12,240
a whole odds right

3810
02:35:20,230 --> 02:35:16,640
right right right um the oldest one

3811
02:35:25,030 --> 02:35:20,240
so the experiences with kathy

3812
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:25,040
were they after june of 1983

3813
02:35:34,630 --> 02:35:33,190
i think they were most of them were

3814
02:35:36,550 --> 02:35:34,640
probably before that

3815
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:36,560
and i know that her one with the holy

3816
02:35:43,190 --> 02:35:38,720
spirit church that was back in the 60s

3817
02:35:45,830 --> 02:35:43,200
right right right so um

3818
02:35:46,710 --> 02:35:45,840
but and i you know what i can't even

3819
02:35:50,070 --> 02:35:46,720
remember

3820
02:35:52,150 --> 02:35:50,080
experiences so i

3821
02:35:54,150 --> 02:35:52,160
don't remember a whole lot about what

3822
02:35:55,750 --> 02:35:54,160
she wrote afterwards i know there were

3823
02:35:56,550 --> 02:35:55,760
some things with her kids when they were

3824
02:36:03,190 --> 02:35:56,560
small

3825
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:03,200
alien in in their house somewhere but i

3826
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:03,920
don't recall

3827
02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:07,280
much more than that um

3828
02:36:13,510 --> 02:36:10,399
you know like i said she's she's not

3829
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:13,520
able to um she's had me

3830
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:15,600
multiple strokes to the point and now

3831
02:36:19,349 --> 02:36:17,920
she has like uh dementia so she's in a

3832
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:19,359
nursing home and

3833
02:36:24,230 --> 02:36:22,720
and stuff so when i was trying to to um

3834
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:24,240
figure out how i was going to do this

3835
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:26,479
revised edition on my own

3836
02:36:30,309 --> 02:36:28,399
that's why i reverted back to the

3837
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:30,319
original manuscript

3838
02:36:33,590 --> 02:36:32,880
and a lot of that book is in the new one

3839
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:33,600
because

3840
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:37,200
that's my life and i i can't tell my

3841
02:36:40,630 --> 02:36:38,319
whole story and leave

3842
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:40,640
that big chunk out because then it

3843
02:36:46,070 --> 02:36:42,720
already doesn't make sense but it would

3844
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:46,080
really not make sense so um

3845
02:36:49,510 --> 02:36:48,399
that's why i proceeded the way i did

3846
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:49,520
with this second one

3847
02:36:58,309 --> 02:36:57,910
i'm just kathy got coveted here in 2020

3848
02:37:00,070 --> 02:36:58,319
and i

3849
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:00,080
just thought that was going to be it but

3850
02:37:05,429 --> 02:37:02,640
thank god she

3851
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:05,439
we're we're tenacious we have we said

3852
02:37:08,950 --> 02:37:06,240
we've got

3853
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:08,960
our white blood in us that's my dad and

3854
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:10,800
he don't take nothing from nobody and

3855
02:37:16,710 --> 02:37:13,439
he's hard-headed and stubborn so

3856
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:16,720
she's she's still there now the

3857
02:37:25,670 --> 02:37:20,720
the paranormal aspect uh to this

3858
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:25,680
do you feel that everything is connected

3859
02:37:30,830 --> 02:37:28,800
oh yeah well yeah because i mean

3860
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:30,840
the the paranormal stuff was happening

3861
02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:32,000
when

3862
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:35,280
uh before june 3083 and and intermixed

3863
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:35,600
with

3864
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:38,960
the um quote-unquote alien stuff

3865
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:41,920
for lack of a better way to put it

3866
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:42,880
because i don't know

3867
02:37:46,309 --> 02:37:44,319
where they i don't know if they came

3868
02:37:48,230 --> 02:37:46,319
from some other planet and flew here in

3869
02:37:51,270 --> 02:37:48,240
a spacecraft or if they just

3870
02:37:52,150 --> 02:37:51,280
stepped into this dimension from some

3871
02:37:55,670 --> 02:37:52,160
other one you know

3872
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:55,680
right right yeah and and uh

3873
02:37:59,910 --> 02:37:58,240
you said earlier and and i'm so glad

3874
02:38:01,910 --> 02:37:59,920
that you pointed this out you know you

3875
02:38:03,190 --> 02:38:01,920
contacted mufon and they were about nuts

3876
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:03,200
and bolts and

3877
02:38:07,349 --> 02:38:05,680
and spacecraft and photographs and

3878
02:38:10,150 --> 02:38:07,359
witnesses and things

3879
02:38:11,830 --> 02:38:10,160
but as you move along through this

3880
02:38:15,030 --> 02:38:11,840
journey

3881
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:15,040
you start to figure out things i i

3882
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:18,080
certainly have had my own experiences

3883
02:38:21,030 --> 02:38:18,640
but i've

3884
02:38:22,150 --> 02:38:21,040
interviewed and spoken with so many

3885
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:22,160
people

3886
02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:25,040
that now i mean the nuts and bolt side

3887
02:38:27,990 --> 02:38:26,640
of it is real there's no question about

3888
02:38:31,990 --> 02:38:28,000
it i've seen things oh

3889
02:38:34,910 --> 02:38:32,000
of course but then you start to see

3890
02:38:37,349 --> 02:38:34,920
the possibility of you know

3891
02:38:40,630 --> 02:38:37,359
interdimensionality or parallel world

3892
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,640
or a crossover in time um

3893
02:38:44,469 --> 02:38:42,960
that some of this stuff isn't

3894
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:44,479
necessarily

3895
02:38:48,469 --> 02:38:46,800
traveling from another star system to

3896
02:38:51,590 --> 02:38:48,479
your house

3897
02:38:54,790 --> 02:38:51,600
that maybe it's already here and

3898
02:38:57,349 --> 02:38:54,800
exposing itself and is that where

3899
02:38:58,630 --> 02:38:57,359
is that where you are today that that is

3900
02:39:01,030 --> 02:38:58,640
a certain

3901
02:39:03,670 --> 02:39:01,040
certain thing that needs to be discussed

3902
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:03,680
yes i mean i

3903
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:06,399
you know when i first started getting

3904
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:08,160
involved with paranormal stuff and i was

3905
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:10,399
so fascinated with the evp phenomenon

3906
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:10,960
the

3907
02:39:17,030 --> 02:39:14,000
phenomenon

3908
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:17,040
and i recorded an evp in my kitchen oh

3909
02:39:21,830 --> 02:39:18,240
25 or

3910
02:39:25,750 --> 02:39:21,840
no 30 years ago at least with my nephew

3911
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:25,760
and then that recording it was clear as

3912
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:28,880
day a voice said are the spirits

3913
02:39:31,429 --> 02:39:29,600
listening

3914
02:39:33,750 --> 02:39:31,439
and another little voice came on behind

3915
02:39:35,349 --> 02:39:33,760
it the that are the spirits listening

3916
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:35,359
sounded like an old man

3917
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:36,880
and the little voice behind it sounded

3918
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:38,880
like a kid and said can i listen too

3919
02:39:41,910 --> 02:39:41,359
and i had immediately this my brain just

3920
02:39:44,389 --> 02:39:41,920
kind of went

3921
02:39:46,070 --> 02:39:44,399
poop i had this epiphany like it

3922
02:39:47,030 --> 02:39:46,080
couldn't go poop any more than it

3923
02:39:49,750 --> 02:39:47,040
already had

3924
02:39:52,389 --> 02:39:49,760
but that we're the spirits somewhere and

3925
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:52,399
somebody else is trying to listen to us

3926
02:39:57,590 --> 02:39:54,960
you know somewhere and and i then

3927
02:40:01,270 --> 02:39:57,600
something in my mind just clicked

3928
02:40:03,429 --> 02:40:01,280
and i know there was a period of time

3929
02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:03,439
when i was drawing

3930
02:40:07,750 --> 02:40:05,520
images i would see in my head and

3931
02:40:08,230 --> 02:40:07,760
writing phrases and words down that i

3932
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:08,240
would

3933
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:12,399
down and one time

3934
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:14,160
my kids were in the backyard playing

3935
02:40:18,309 --> 02:40:16,000
with soap bubbles

3936
02:40:20,230 --> 02:40:18,319
and they had this giant wand with a

3937
02:40:23,590 --> 02:40:20,240
million holes in it and they were like

3938
02:40:25,110 --> 02:40:23,600
you know and my youngest pulls up this

3939
02:40:27,670 --> 02:40:25,120
wand and there's this big

3940
02:40:28,790 --> 02:40:27,680
wad of soap bubbles just all hung there

3941
02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:28,800
and clung

3942
02:40:33,349 --> 02:40:31,520
to this and i had what i call my roy

3943
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:33,359
moment from close encounters

3944
02:40:38,150 --> 02:40:35,120
remember when he did the mashed potatoes

3945
02:40:39,910 --> 02:40:38,160
things with the wyoming

3946
02:40:41,910 --> 02:40:39,920
and i looked at this and i'm like i've

3947
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:41,920
seen this before i know what this

3948
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:45,840
is this is universes

3949
02:40:50,950 --> 02:40:48,720
these are universes this is what a

3950
02:40:54,550 --> 02:40:50,960
universe is look like

3951
02:40:56,389 --> 02:40:54,560
from somewhere far away from them

3952
02:40:58,790 --> 02:40:56,399
you know and then i realized that the

3953
02:41:00,630 --> 02:40:58,800
universes were like soap bubbles

3954
02:41:03,190 --> 02:41:00,640
and you know how soap bubbles kind of

3955
02:41:04,469 --> 02:41:03,200
touch in little places and that little

3956
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:04,479
place where they touch

3957
02:41:11,510 --> 02:41:08,240
they actually become one and

3958
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:11,520
it's a fleeting moment they don't stay

3959
02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:13,840
there forever they slide and move around

3960
02:41:17,590 --> 02:41:15,359
but in that little place where they

3961
02:41:18,950 --> 02:41:17,600
touch that's where communication can be

3962
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:18,960
facilitated

3963
02:41:23,670 --> 02:41:21,920
ever so briefly it changes and moves

3964
02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:23,680
because the universe is

3965
02:41:28,309 --> 02:41:26,560
in this blob of bubbles undulates and

3966
02:41:30,630 --> 02:41:28,319
moves and changes

3967
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:30,640
and i mean i saw this it just started

3968
02:41:34,309 --> 02:41:32,160
happening in my head as i'm looking at

3969
02:41:36,550 --> 02:41:34,319
these soap bubbles i'm like damn

3970
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:36,560
yes you know so i'm drawing all this

3971
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:38,479
stuff down trying to write it down

3972
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:40,160
mind you i have a high school diploma

3973
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:41,920
and a beauty school certificate so

3974
02:41:45,349 --> 02:41:44,560
this kind of thing is really not my bag

3975
02:41:47,510 --> 02:41:45,359
right

3976
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:47,520
i'm doing the best i can with the

3977
02:41:50,150 --> 02:41:49,680
equipment i have here or the knowledge i

3978
02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:50,160
have

3979
02:41:57,590 --> 02:41:55,680
make you understand what i'm trying to

3980
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:57,600
tell you but i can do it with a soap

3981
02:42:01,429 --> 02:41:58,000
bubble

3982
02:42:02,150 --> 02:42:01,439
you know so um things like that started

3983
02:42:04,950 --> 02:42:02,160
happening

3984
02:42:05,990 --> 02:42:04,960
so i and i moved closer more towards the

3985
02:42:09,269 --> 02:42:06,000
paranormal because

3986
02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:09,279
that was a way to get

3987
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:12,160
some kind of evidence i swear i should

3988
02:42:16,630 --> 02:42:12,800
have

3989
02:42:20,150 --> 02:42:16,640
send you some of my evps and

3990
02:42:23,429 --> 02:42:20,160
and they will blow your socks off and

3991
02:42:25,990 --> 02:42:23,439
uh you know to me it's just

3992
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:26,000
proof of that uh when i did the

3993
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:27,680
paranormal investigations that i did

3994
02:42:31,670 --> 02:42:28,720
when i went out on

3995
02:42:33,269 --> 02:42:31,680
honestly i felt like some of the things

3996
02:42:36,550 --> 02:42:33,279
that i had contact with as

3997
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:36,560
a contact uh as an experiencer with the

3998
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:38,240
extraterrestrial what i'm gonna call

3999
02:42:41,910 --> 02:42:40,560
them and uh experience with the

4000
02:42:45,110 --> 02:42:41,920
paranormal were

4001
02:42:47,429 --> 02:42:45,120
so much similar that they were like

4002
02:42:48,550 --> 02:42:47,439
in my mind i could see they were the

4003
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:48,560
same thing

4004
02:42:52,070 --> 02:42:50,240
people were just using different words

4005
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:52,080
in different circumstances to describe

4006
02:42:56,150 --> 02:42:53,520
the same thing

4007
02:42:57,190 --> 02:42:56,160
you know and i'm like there is a

4008
02:43:00,070 --> 02:42:57,200
connection here

4009
02:43:01,990 --> 02:43:00,080
now in 30 years of being a you know when

4010
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:02,000
i was an investigator for mufon for 10

4011
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:04,160
years and then the paranormal researcher

4012
02:43:07,910 --> 02:43:06,080
the only common denominator i've found

4013
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:07,920
so far is the actual person who's having

4014
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:09,200
the experience

4015
02:43:13,910 --> 02:43:12,800
but uh you know there it there's a

4016
02:43:16,070 --> 02:43:13,920
connection there

4017
02:43:17,510 --> 02:43:16,080
and i feel like some of the things that

4018
02:43:21,190 --> 02:43:17,520
people mistake for

4019
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:21,200
spirits or ghosts i think are

4020
02:43:25,510 --> 02:43:23,520
maybe things that never lived here and

4021
02:43:29,750 --> 02:43:25,520
don't even live in this dimension

4022
02:43:32,950 --> 02:43:29,760
but have are able to come and go

4023
02:43:35,830 --> 02:43:32,960
sometimes and the same thing with my

4024
02:43:37,349 --> 02:43:35,840
experiences with contact with you know

4025
02:43:40,630 --> 02:43:37,359
extraterrestrials or whatever

4026
02:43:41,269 --> 02:43:40,640
some of the things that i saw led me to

4027
02:43:42,630 --> 02:43:41,279
feel like

4028
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:42,640
what i was seeing wasn't something that

4029
02:43:48,150 --> 02:43:44,800
was flying in from outer space but

4030
02:43:50,790 --> 02:43:48,160
rather living in this space with me

4031
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:50,800
and i just can't see them in my mind i

4032
02:43:54,550 --> 02:43:52,479
feel like the human brain

4033
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:54,560
is and i've heard it said before and i

4034
02:43:58,070 --> 02:43:55,600
don't know where but

4035
02:43:59,750 --> 02:43:58,080
that that were tube type radios in adobe

4036
02:44:01,510 --> 02:43:59,760
digital surround sound world

4037
02:44:03,590 --> 02:44:01,520
and i'm sitting here in my office right

4038
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:03,600
now and i'm surrounded by wi-fi signals

4039
02:44:08,230 --> 02:44:05,840
from all over the neighborhood

4040
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:08,240
television signals radio signals all

4041
02:44:12,150 --> 02:44:10,240
that i can't see them

4042
02:44:13,429 --> 02:44:12,160
but that doesn't mean they're not there

4043
02:44:15,670 --> 02:44:13,439
my brain just isn't

4044
02:44:17,349 --> 02:44:15,680
manufactured to be able to receive them

4045
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:17,359
so i can't perceive them

4046
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:20,560
but my television is made to receive the

4047
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:22,399
television signal and i can watch tv on

4048
02:44:26,550 --> 02:44:24,640
it you know what i'm saying

4049
02:44:28,389 --> 02:44:26,560
now having said that i think people

4050
02:44:28,630 --> 02:44:28,399
who've had the experiences i've had and

4051
02:44:32,150 --> 02:44:28,640
the

4052
02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:32,160
early physical contact has somehow

4053
02:44:38,469 --> 02:44:35,439
flipped a switch in me facilitated me

4054
02:44:40,309 --> 02:44:38,479
you know to be able to to perceive

4055
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:40,319
things that maybe other people can't and

4056
02:44:43,110 --> 02:44:41,840
i'm not saying i'm the only one i'm

4057
02:44:44,550 --> 02:44:43,120
saying that people like me who've had

4058
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:44,560
these experiences

4059
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,319
but like i've either by genetics or

4060
02:44:51,990 --> 02:44:51,040
by external stimulation have like grown

4061
02:44:54,230 --> 02:44:52,000
an extra

4062
02:44:56,469 --> 02:44:54,240
couple circuits somewhere and i think

4063
02:44:59,590 --> 02:44:56,479
that's why mom and i could see

4064
02:45:01,429 --> 02:44:59,600
that giant triangle that nobody else in

4065
02:45:02,710 --> 02:45:01,439
indianapolis apparently could see

4066
02:45:04,870 --> 02:45:02,720
although i'll bet you

4067
02:45:07,110 --> 02:45:04,880
there were people out there who did but

4068
02:45:08,630 --> 02:45:07,120
who are they going to tell

4069
02:45:10,630 --> 02:45:08,640
so we didn't hear about them you know

4070
02:45:11,269 --> 02:45:10,640
what i'm saying i do know what you're

4071
02:45:14,710 --> 02:45:11,279
saying

4072
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:14,720
and what do you make of uh

4073
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:18,319
today where oh oh before i'm gonna i'm

4074
02:45:26,389 --> 02:45:21,600
gonna save that question for last

4075
02:45:29,830 --> 02:45:26,399
when whitley and you were talking about

4076
02:45:32,550 --> 02:45:29,840
whitley's experiences and and

4077
02:45:33,110 --> 02:45:32,560
where he wasn't sure and i was so fat

4078
02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:33,120
was

4079
02:45:37,110 --> 02:45:36,000
watching you two uh discuss this that he

4080
02:45:39,190 --> 02:45:37,120
wasn't

4081
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:39,200
entirely sure that his contact

4082
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:43,200
experiences are even e.t right that

4083
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:46,960
it could be just us later on

4084
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:50,000
where we go to next exactly

4085
02:45:54,230 --> 02:45:52,720
and you know i mean i've had you know

4086
02:45:57,030 --> 02:45:54,240
i've had experience with

4087
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:57,040
people that i love who have you know i

4088
02:46:00,469 --> 02:45:57,760
call them

4089
02:46:01,349 --> 02:46:00,479
they they've shed this meat sack full of

4090
02:46:04,550 --> 02:46:01,359
water and

4091
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:04,560
moved on uh you know they've passed away

4092
02:46:11,429 --> 02:46:08,240
but they've i've had contact with them

4093
02:46:14,070 --> 02:46:11,439
you know um and it's

4094
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:14,080
happened in front of other people like

4095
02:46:17,429 --> 02:46:15,120
the when my mom

4096
02:46:18,150 --> 02:46:17,439
the night my my mom died at 11 30 in the

4097
02:46:24,469 --> 02:46:18,160
morning

4098
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:24,479
the wall in the stairwell rolled down

4099
02:46:27,269 --> 02:46:25,439
the stairwell

4100
02:46:29,269 --> 02:46:27,279
sat straight up at the end of the stair

4101
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:29,279
woke my husband and i up we went running

4102
02:46:32,790 --> 02:46:29,760
out there

4103
02:46:34,389 --> 02:46:32,800
the nail was still in the wall the frame

4104
02:46:37,429 --> 02:46:34,399
was still intact

4105
02:46:39,110 --> 02:46:37,439
and mom and i had this conversation you

4106
02:46:40,230 --> 02:46:39,120
know and she said that if she was able

4107
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:40,240
to show me

4108
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:43,200
that what i was thinking was correct

4109
02:46:45,510 --> 02:46:45,120
really was she would do her best to show

4110
02:46:48,070 --> 02:46:45,520
me

4111
02:46:49,349 --> 02:46:48,080
and she did and i was so excited and

4112
02:46:51,190 --> 02:46:49,359
there were a lot of things like that

4113
02:46:51,990 --> 02:46:51,200
that happened from mom and my late

4114
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:52,000
husband and other

4115
02:46:56,630 --> 02:46:55,040
friends i've had that crossed over and

4116
02:46:58,309 --> 02:46:56,640
like my little sister said well how come

4117
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:58,319
mom didn't come to me or how come

4118
02:47:01,429 --> 02:47:00,399
and my brother and i'm like did you ask

4119
02:47:04,309 --> 02:47:01,439
her

4120
02:47:06,389 --> 02:47:04,319
well no i said if she did would you like

4121
02:47:09,349 --> 02:47:06,399
crap yourself and have a stroke

4122
02:47:14,550 --> 02:47:09,359
well yes and i'm like well hello there

4123
02:47:19,510 --> 02:47:17,670
such a fascinating uh experience

4124
02:47:21,110 --> 02:47:19,520
uh with that picture frame and the

4125
02:47:25,030 --> 02:47:21,120
picture of your mom

4126
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:25,040
um so okay here we are today

4127
02:47:31,030 --> 02:47:28,560
in 2021 uh you went through all of this

4128
02:47:34,309 --> 02:47:31,040
with bud and intruders and

4129
02:47:38,309 --> 02:47:34,319
sharing your experience uh and

4130
02:47:40,030 --> 02:47:38,319
and things but here we are now 35 years

4131
02:47:44,309 --> 02:47:40,040
later this is now

4132
02:47:46,630 --> 02:47:44,319
2021 ufos are everywhere

4133
02:47:47,510 --> 02:47:46,640
right can't turn on and off the tv

4134
02:47:49,030 --> 02:47:47,520
without

4135
02:47:50,469 --> 02:47:49,040
seeing something on the news or

4136
02:47:51,590 --> 02:47:50,479
something in the newspaper something

4137
02:47:53,429 --> 02:47:51,600
online

4138
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:53,439
whether it's the senate or the united

4139
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:56,000
states navy or leaked videos and

4140
02:48:00,830 --> 02:47:59,040
pilots coming forward now it's a

4141
02:48:03,750 --> 02:48:00,840
discussion that seems pretty

4142
02:48:06,309 --> 02:48:03,760
normal but what what goes through your

4143
02:48:09,429 --> 02:48:06,319
mind now

4144
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:09,439
i think back 38 years ago when that

4145
02:48:13,110 --> 02:48:12,399
happened and i think about how hard it

4146
02:48:16,469 --> 02:48:13,120
was

4147
02:48:20,150 --> 02:48:16,479
for to even reach out to bud and then

4148
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:20,160
how what a struggle it was to decide to

4149
02:48:23,750 --> 02:48:22,160
to allow a book to be written about us

4150
02:48:24,389 --> 02:48:23,760
might you know as a collective my family

4151
02:48:27,349 --> 02:48:24,399
and i

4152
02:48:29,269 --> 02:48:27,359
and then and then how hard how hard it

4153
02:48:30,710 --> 02:48:29,279
was for me to step up on that stage for

4154
02:48:31,830 --> 02:48:30,720
the first time and feel like i was about

4155
02:48:33,110 --> 02:48:31,840
to have a heart attack and feel

4156
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:33,120
embarrassed

4157
02:48:36,790 --> 02:48:34,640
about what i was about to tell them

4158
02:48:40,309 --> 02:48:36,800
because i knew how crazy it sounded

4159
02:48:43,110 --> 02:48:40,319
and i and now

4160
02:48:44,070 --> 02:48:43,120
you know as you pointed out it's totally

4161
02:48:45,750 --> 02:48:44,080
people have changed

4162
02:48:47,670 --> 02:48:45,760
times have changed the attitude toward

4163
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:47,680
it has changed you can go to walmart buy

4164
02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:49,840
a t-shirt with alien on it it's cool

4165
02:48:53,269 --> 02:48:51,680
people pay hundreds of hundreds of

4166
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:53,279
dollars to go out and try to have an

4167
02:48:58,790 --> 02:48:55,680
experience like i had you know

4168
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:58,800
and um i know a lot of people were

4169
02:49:04,070 --> 02:49:00,000
disappointed when the

4170
02:49:07,110 --> 02:49:04,080
nine page thing came out but not me

4171
02:49:08,790 --> 02:49:07,120
because i was i have been i've been on

4172
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:08,800
the receiving end of that stick for a

4173
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:10,080
long long time

4174
02:49:16,550 --> 02:49:13,200
and i know that

4175
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:16,560
i mean i see people's reaction to this

4176
02:49:19,590 --> 02:49:18,240
and they're like yeah we are you know

4177
02:49:20,469 --> 02:49:19,600
especially the young people like yeah we

4178
02:49:21,750 --> 02:49:20,479
already know it's real

4179
02:49:23,830 --> 02:49:21,760
you know they're not going to be

4180
02:49:27,429 --> 02:49:23,840
satisfied with just that eight pages

4181
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:27,439
i am just because i'm not satisfied with

4182
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:29,279
it but i'm happy to see it because

4183
02:49:32,950 --> 02:49:31,920
they're not laughing at it they're they

4184
02:49:36,469 --> 02:49:32,960
didn't say

4185
02:49:39,590 --> 02:49:36,479
it wasn't extraterrestrial

4186
02:49:41,110 --> 02:49:39,600
they didn't say what it was but they

4187
02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:41,120
didn't say it wasn't and they could have

4188
02:49:44,230 --> 02:49:42,000
easily said

4189
02:49:45,670 --> 02:49:44,240
well we don't you know we we have enough

4190
02:49:48,550 --> 02:49:45,680
information we know that it's

4191
02:49:50,389 --> 02:49:48,560
it's not that but they didn't say that

4192
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:50,399
and then i see these young pilots come

4193
02:49:53,030 --> 02:49:51,200
on tv

4194
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:53,040
and say we've been seeing these things

4195
02:49:56,309 --> 02:49:54,800
off the east coast for the last two

4196
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:56,319
years almost every day

4197
02:50:03,190 --> 02:50:00,319
and a pilot in my eyes pilots are

4198
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:03,200
impeccable in their credibility you know

4199
02:50:06,550 --> 02:50:04,640
i mean these are people that

4200
02:50:08,469 --> 02:50:06,560
defend our country every day

4201
02:50:10,389 --> 02:50:08,479
professional witnesses

4202
02:50:11,990 --> 02:50:10,399
absolutely and so and they're saying

4203
02:50:15,190 --> 02:50:12,000
they see these things every day

4204
02:50:17,269 --> 02:50:15,200
so i feel hopeful

4205
02:50:19,269 --> 02:50:17,279
and i have a little bit i feel a little

4206
02:50:21,670 --> 02:50:19,279
bit of vindication obviously it's not

4207
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,680
they're not you know saying that what

4208
02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:23,120
i'm reporting is

4209
02:50:26,630 --> 02:50:25,279
you know they're confirming it but but

4210
02:50:29,429 --> 02:50:26,640
still it's

4211
02:50:29,750 --> 02:50:29,439
it's a big giant shift in the paradigm

4212
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:29,760
of

4213
02:50:36,389 --> 02:50:35,600
going in the right direction and i look

4214
02:50:39,030 --> 02:50:36,399
back and i

4215
02:50:40,550 --> 02:50:39,040
i remember the past and i think okay

4216
02:50:47,429 --> 02:50:40,560
baby steps

4217
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:47,439
we're going in the right direction so

4218
02:50:52,150 --> 02:50:49,279
that's where that's what i feel how i

4219
02:50:54,710 --> 02:50:52,160
feel about all of you now with uh the

4220
02:50:55,510 --> 02:50:54,720
the other experiencers of which there's

4221
02:50:58,950 --> 02:50:55,520
millions

4222
02:51:02,309 --> 02:50:58,960
that

4223
02:51:06,630 --> 02:51:02,319
have been trying to be heard

4224
02:51:09,830 --> 02:51:06,640
um i i feel that they now have

4225
02:51:10,309 --> 02:51:09,840
a a legitimate voice and they are able

4226
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:10,319
to

4227
02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:20,319
loved ones they've kept it all inside

4228
02:51:23,590 --> 02:51:22,960
and if you were gonna say something uh

4229
02:51:28,469 --> 02:51:23,600
to those

4230
02:51:35,590 --> 02:51:31,990
well it would be that um

4231
02:51:38,469 --> 02:51:35,600
i know how you feel and um

4232
02:51:39,830 --> 02:51:38,479
i i can tell you i i feel like for every

4233
02:51:41,269 --> 02:51:39,840
one person out there like me who's

4234
02:51:41,910 --> 02:51:41,279
actually speaking out about their

4235
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:41,920
experience

4236
02:51:49,110 --> 02:51:46,080
whatever it might be there's probably

4237
02:51:50,710 --> 02:51:49,120
a million or there's probably 150 000

4238
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:50,720
more that have had the same kind of

4239
02:51:54,790 --> 02:51:52,160
experience i've had

4240
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:54,800
and maybe more and haven't said anything

4241
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:55,200
and i

4242
02:52:01,030 --> 02:51:59,040
just want them to know that um

4243
02:52:02,790 --> 02:52:01,040
it's not as bad as it used to be times

4244
02:52:05,030 --> 02:52:02,800
have changed uh

4245
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:05,040
don't be afraid to speak out you're

4246
02:52:09,030 --> 02:52:06,479
gonna be surprised at

4247
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:09,040
how much support you have you know and

4248
02:52:11,349 --> 02:52:09,600
um

4249
02:52:12,630 --> 02:52:11,359
i'm trying to pay it forward i was

4250
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:12,640
fortunate

4251
02:52:17,030 --> 02:52:15,279
in that i had not only had bud for so

4252
02:52:18,469 --> 02:52:17,040
many years but i had the support of my

4253
02:52:20,870 --> 02:52:18,479
entire family

4254
02:52:21,750 --> 02:52:20,880
most all my friends people i worked with

4255
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:21,760
everything

4256
02:52:25,190 --> 02:52:24,080
you know nobody ever doubted us because

4257
02:52:27,910 --> 02:52:25,200
we all

4258
02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:27,920
experienced it so we had each other so

4259
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:29,200
many people out there

4260
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:30,720
that have had these experiences don't

4261
02:52:35,590 --> 02:52:32,640
have that and part of

4262
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:35,600
my whole thing with coming out publicly

4263
02:52:38,710 --> 02:52:37,359
and speaking about all the weird stuff

4264
02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:38,720
that's happened in my life was

4265
02:52:41,990 --> 02:52:41,200
to be to pay it forward and to be there

4266
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:42,000
for other people

4267
02:52:47,510 --> 02:52:45,120
and to help be a bridge for them

4268
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:47,520
to come out and speak about what's been

4269
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:48,720
going on with them i just

4270
02:52:54,469 --> 02:52:52,319
would tell them you know don't be afraid

4271
02:52:56,630 --> 02:52:54,479
you know trust yourself trust your

4272
02:53:00,230 --> 02:52:56,640
instincts don't be afraid

4273
02:53:04,309 --> 02:53:00,240
to speak out and stand up for yourself

4274
02:53:05,429 --> 02:53:04,319
and you're not alone by far you're not

4275
02:53:09,269 --> 02:53:05,439
alone

4276
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:09,279
you um you mentioned your son he's now

4277
02:53:13,110 --> 02:53:10,080
42

4278
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:13,120
uh you know smart brilliant but there's

4279
02:53:17,670 --> 02:53:14,319
a lot of talk

4280
02:53:19,510 --> 02:53:17,680
deb uh about you know this this human

4281
02:53:22,950 --> 02:53:19,520
hybrid hubrid

4282
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:22,960
uh program and the possibility of this

4283
02:53:27,750 --> 02:53:26,399
uh being a reality today and there's a

4284
02:53:29,670 --> 02:53:27,760
lot of people

4285
02:53:31,910 --> 02:53:29,680
uh coming forward and speaking about

4286
02:53:35,990 --> 02:53:31,920
this did you ever feel

4287
02:53:37,990 --> 02:53:36,000
that your son may have had something to

4288
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:38,000
do with that

4289
02:53:43,510 --> 02:53:41,040
um i don't know i mean

4290
02:53:44,950 --> 02:53:43,520
it's a miracle that we're both alive

4291
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:44,960
neither one of us should have survived

4292
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:46,960
and i had a less of a chance of survival

4293
02:53:51,510 --> 02:53:48,080
than he did

4294
02:53:53,429 --> 02:53:51,520
um so i don't know i mean

4295
02:53:55,429 --> 02:53:53,439
to me anything's possible my mind is

4296
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:55,439
going to stay open

4297
02:53:58,950 --> 02:53:57,760
i had that previous pregnancy before i

4298
02:54:02,469 --> 02:53:58,960
got pregnant with him

4299
02:54:04,830 --> 02:54:02,479
that pretty much disappeared and i

4300
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:04,840
you know i was confirmed pregnant by my

4301
02:54:10,150 --> 02:54:06,160
doctor and

4302
02:54:12,389 --> 02:54:10,160
um carried on for several months

4303
02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:12,399
as a pregnant person and then woke up

4304
02:54:16,870 --> 02:54:13,520
one morning after

4305
02:54:18,710 --> 02:54:16,880
an absolutely insane dream then there

4306
02:54:19,990 --> 02:54:18,720
was something wrong with my baby and i

4307
02:54:21,990 --> 02:54:20,000
ended up going back to have another

4308
02:54:22,870 --> 02:54:22,000
pregnancy test that was at that point

4309
02:54:26,710 --> 02:54:22,880
negative

4310
02:54:29,990 --> 02:54:26,720
so i don't know what all that means i

4311
02:54:33,429 --> 02:54:30,000
i have my dreams i call them dreams

4312
02:54:37,269 --> 02:54:33,439
of seeing uh

4313
02:54:39,510 --> 02:54:37,279
uh hybrid child but i don't know it's

4314
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:39,520
i can't prove anything and it sounds

4315
02:54:44,550 --> 02:54:41,520
absolutely insane so

4316
02:54:47,990 --> 02:54:44,560
it stays where it is as as it is and

4317
02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:48,000
that's how i live with it um

4318
02:54:52,790 --> 02:54:51,120
but i i do believe that there was some

4319
02:54:56,230 --> 02:54:52,800
kind of alien intervention

4320
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:56,240
in humans long ago

4321
02:54:59,349 --> 02:54:58,720
that created who we are now i mean we're

4322
02:55:05,590 --> 02:54:59,359
alien

4323
02:55:07,269 --> 02:55:05,600
and uh who's to say honestly it's the

4324
02:55:08,070 --> 02:55:07,279
way people act sometimes i think we need

4325
02:55:11,670 --> 02:55:08,080
to

4326
02:55:13,830 --> 02:55:11,680
have a readjustment so i think

4327
02:55:15,750 --> 02:55:13,840
it's time for them to come back and

4328
02:55:17,750 --> 02:55:15,760
tweak us a little bit you know so maybe

4329
02:55:20,389 --> 02:55:17,760
that's what it is all about i don't know

4330
02:55:21,190 --> 02:55:20,399
um i want that i'm going i'm going with

4331
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:21,200
everything

4332
02:55:25,110 --> 02:55:23,279
i'm gonna i want to share this with you

4333
02:55:29,030 --> 02:55:25,120
um i didn't say anything about this

4334
02:55:30,070 --> 02:55:29,040
earlier but um so last week richard and

4335
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:30,080
i uh

4336
02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:33,279
were outside of the hotel talking about

4337
02:55:36,550 --> 02:55:34,800
the week ahead

4338
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:36,560
and i said blah blah blah blah blah and

4339
02:55:39,429 --> 02:55:38,080
debbie cobble uh

4340
02:55:41,269 --> 02:55:39,439
is is going to be here this afternoon

4341
02:55:44,630 --> 02:55:41,279
debbie cobble

4342
02:55:46,550 --> 02:55:44,640
and i said i said yes

4343
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:46,560
he goes church have you met her i said

4344
02:55:53,269 --> 02:55:49,439
no he goes she is the coolest person

4345
02:55:54,550 --> 02:55:53,279
ever and and this is what he said to me

4346
02:55:57,269 --> 02:55:54,560
he said 10 years ago

4347
02:55:58,150 --> 02:55:57,279
we hung out and i got to tell you i

4348
02:56:01,670 --> 02:55:58,160
cannot wait

4349
02:56:03,269 --> 02:56:01,680
to see her again and uh this is just

4350
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:03,279
gonna be an amazing week and

4351
02:56:09,590 --> 02:56:06,640
watch him debbie get so excited

4352
02:56:11,030 --> 02:56:09,600
uh about this and then of course we met

4353
02:56:13,030 --> 02:56:11,040
and and i understand

4354
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,040
exactly what richard was trying to say

4355
02:56:19,110 --> 02:56:15,359
to me but watching you guys

4356
02:56:20,950 --> 02:56:19,120
uh reunite and see each other again and

4357
02:56:23,110 --> 02:56:20,960
and the experience i had with you last

4358
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:23,120
week and then leading up to this show

4359
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:25,600
it's just been extraordinary you are an

4360
02:56:30,389 --> 02:56:26,720
extraordinary

4361
02:56:33,429 --> 02:56:30,399
person and and don't change

4362
02:56:36,790 --> 02:56:33,439
well i appreciate that i am so

4363
02:56:38,070 --> 02:56:36,800
thankful to have met you i'm always

4364
02:56:41,110 --> 02:56:38,080
thankful to meet everyone

4365
02:56:42,870 --> 02:56:41,120
i meet because i feel like in my life i

4366
02:56:45,110 --> 02:56:42,880
whenever i i take a little bit of you

4367
02:56:47,110 --> 02:56:45,120
with me when i go home and so

4368
02:56:48,389 --> 02:56:47,120
you know i'm just grateful for all the

4369
02:56:51,190 --> 02:56:48,399
opportunity i've had

4370
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:51,200
and everything and i just want to i just

4371
02:56:54,870 --> 02:56:51,920
want to help

4372
02:56:55,590 --> 02:56:54,880
as many people as i can on the way you

4373
02:56:57,590 --> 02:56:55,600
know

4374
02:56:58,630 --> 02:56:57,600
i'm and i'm a work in progress i'm still

4375
02:57:00,550 --> 02:56:58,640
learning every day

4376
02:57:02,389 --> 02:57:00,560
until i check out i'm still going to be

4377
02:57:04,870 --> 02:57:02,399
a work in progress but

4378
02:57:06,150 --> 02:57:04,880
you know i'm just i'm grateful for

4379
02:57:09,190 --> 02:57:06,160
people like rich

4380
02:57:09,429 --> 02:57:09,200
and all those guys who just embraced me

4381
02:57:12,389 --> 02:57:09,439
and

4382
02:57:13,990 --> 02:57:12,399
were so kind to me it they haven't you

4383
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:14,000
know you don't have an idea

4384
02:57:20,469 --> 02:57:17,120
what that kind of means

4385
02:57:22,070 --> 02:57:20,479
to a person you know for real thank you

4386
02:57:24,710 --> 02:57:22,080
so much debbie you are truly

4387
02:57:25,429 --> 02:57:24,720
amazing and i look forward to the next

4388
02:57:26,870 --> 02:57:25,439
time

4389
02:57:28,710 --> 02:57:26,880
that you're on the show and that's going

4390
02:57:32,070 --> 02:57:28,720
to be a paranormal show

4391
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:32,080
we're going to do yeah evps ghost

4392
02:57:39,510 --> 02:57:37,359
and dead people right let's do this

4393
02:57:41,429 --> 02:57:39,520
enjoy the rest of your night uh the best

4394
02:57:42,710 --> 02:57:41,439
to you and your family thank you so much

4395
02:57:46,469 --> 02:57:42,720
what a great

4396
02:57:48,550 --> 02:57:46,479
great conversation thank you thank you

4397
02:57:49,670 --> 02:57:48,560
debbie cobble and with that i've got to

4398
02:57:52,389 --> 02:57:49,680
go straight to

4399
02:57:53,910 --> 02:57:52,399
credits we did overtime we did

4400
02:57:58,389 --> 02:57:53,920
everything tonight debbie

4401
02:58:03,429 --> 02:58:01,429
debbie cobble wow what a conversation

4402
02:58:04,870 --> 02:58:03,439
now i want to remind everybody what's

4403
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:04,880
going on tomorrow night

4404
02:58:10,870 --> 02:58:08,080
live from australia ross

4405
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:10,880
colthardt is joining us i'm your host

4406
02:58:14,230 --> 02:58:12,399
jimmy church what a great night on the

4407
02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:14,240
show i want to thank debbie cobble

4408
02:58:19,349 --> 02:58:17,040
extraordinary conversation peter black's

4409
02:58:21,110 --> 02:58:19,359
executive producers rita kamarian shows

4410
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:21,120
produced by hilton j palmer renee dennis

4411
02:58:23,910 --> 02:58:21,920
and kevin

4412
02:58:26,150 --> 02:58:23,920
announcers are steve harter gene vettel

4413
02:58:26,950 --> 02:58:26,160
and mark d kovar webmaster is drew the

4414
02:58:30,110 --> 02:58:26,960
geek

4415
02:58:31,670 --> 02:58:30,120
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4416
02:58:33,750 --> 02:58:31,680
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4417
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:33,760
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4418
02:58:37,510 --> 02:58:35,439
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4419
02:58:40,070 --> 02:58:37,520
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4420
02:58:42,309 --> 02:58:40,080
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4421
02:58:44,070 --> 02:58:42,319
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4422
02:58:45,910 --> 02:58:44,080
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4423
02:58:47,429 --> 02:58:45,920
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4424
02:58:48,150 --> 02:58:47,439
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4425
02:58:49,830 --> 02:58:48,160
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4426
02:58:51,349 --> 02:58:49,840
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4427
02:58:53,349 --> 02:58:51,359
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4428
02:58:55,590 --> 02:58:53,359
i'm your host jimmy church

4429
02:58:56,870 --> 02:58:55,600
thank you debbie cobble tomorrow night

4430
02:58:58,950 --> 02:58:56,880
ross culparts

4431
02:58:59,910 --> 02:58:58,960
i'm your host jimmy church until then

4432
02:59:26,830 --> 02:58:59,920
everybody be

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so